Andy Reid and his thoughts

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Id have taken Stafford over Smith 3 years ago because I thought he could be fixed. Now, it's apparent he's just a douche with a very punchable face that'll always have shitty mechanics.

He does have that punch able cutler type face

[Hootie]

what is the difference between Stafford and Cutler making about 10 unnecessary throws / risks per game that lose ball games and Alex Smith who takes NO RISK EVER which, in turn, can lose ball games?

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

what is the difference between Stafford and Cutler making about 10 unnecessary throws / risks per game that lose ball games and Alex Smith who takes NO RISK EVER which, in turn, can lose ball games?

Thats a fair enough question, but I think the part of the equation thats missing is that those other guys are capable of generating the kinds of explosive plays that can bring a team back from multiple touchdown deficits when that team starts the game poorly.

Guys like Smith have proven incapable of that, when he brings us back from a measly ten points down every once in a blue moon its some kind of big deal.

[Hootie]

who cares if Alex threw a TD to a receiver?

It matters ZERO.

We were 8th in the NFL in red zone efficiency this year. We already know we don't throw deep passes, so outside of a WR fade which is a total throw away play for this team, how did you expect a WR to score a TD?

It would be one thing if we were 30th in red zone efficiency, but we weren't.

Our running backs had 21 TD's.

It was really a non-issue to say the least. It would be different if we had issues in the red zone.

We were actually top 5 until the putrid 2-4 stretch to end the season.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

who cares if Alex threw a TD to a receiver?

It matters ZERO.

We were 8th in the NFL in red zone efficiency this year. We already know we don't throw deep passes, so outside of a WR fade which is a total throw away play for this team, how did you expect a WR to score a TD?

It would be one thing if we were 30th in red zone efficiency, but we weren't.

Our running backs had 21 TD's.

It was really a non-issue to say the least. It would be different if we had issues in the red zone.

We were actually top 5 until the putrid 2-4 stretch to end the season.

If you're addressing my post, lets throw receiver touchdowns out the window and just focus on explosive plays in general to receivers... when we do that, he STILL comes up lacking.

With our miserable last 6 games in the redzone, dont you think that goes hand in hand with Smiths inability or reluctance to throw outside to his receivers, thereby giving the defense much less field to defend on an already shrunken field?

Once teams figured out that all they had to focus on in the redzone was Charles, Fasano and Kelce... they had it made.

[Hootie]

look, I can't believe that this website makes me look like an Alex Smith apologist. I am not. He is a flawed QB. Outside of about 5 guys, every single QB has flaws that can't be overlooked.

That said, when people tell me that Cutler and Stafford can at least make plays ... it just makes me cringe.

These guys turn the ball over 3 times more than Smith every year. In wins this year, Smith was an efficient QB who managed the gameplan pretty well.

When we fell behind in games, we really saw him struggle because he's limited, because our line was very limited, and because our receivers were limited. It was a trifecta of suck.

People want to bash Andy Reid. Fine. But his team won 9 games this year, with that line, with that QB, with those receivers all while playing 11 teams with winning records.

He won 9 games and that's with 2 losses against a 2-14 team and a 3-13 team.

I'd say the pessimism on this website for this regime is insane.

Every realistic fan knows our team can't make 5 mistakes and win a game because our QB isn't Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. You could say the same thing for about 25 NFL teams, not just the Chiefs.

That being said, with the talent we have, the coaching we have, and the assets we will gain in 2015 with all of those draft picks + another year of our new regime being able to put in the pieces they want ... there should be a hell of a lot more optimism.

But, unfortunately, the loudest voices on ChiefsPlanet are all going to make this entire offseason, once again, about Alex Smith.

Yaaaay

[Cmd'r&Chief]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

look, I can't believe that this website makes me look like an Alex Smith apologist. I am not. He is a flawed QB. Outside of about 5 guys, every single QB has flaws that can't be overlooked.

That said, when people tell me that Cutler and Stafford can at least make plays ... it just makes me cringe.

These guys turn the ball over 3 times more than Smith every year. In wins this year, Smith was an efficient QB who managed the gameplan pretty well.

When we fell behind in games, we really saw him struggle because he's limited, because our line was very limited, and because our receivers were limited. It was a trifecta of suck.

People want to bash Andy Reid. Fine. But his team won 9 games this year, with that line, with that QB, with those receivers all while playing 11 teams with winning records.

He won 9 games and that's with 2 losses against a 2-14 team and a 3-13 team.

I'd say the pessimism on this website for this regime is insane.

Every realistic fan knows our team can't make 5 mistakes and win a game because our QB isn't Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. You could say the same thing for about 25 NFL teams, not just the Chiefs.

That being said, with the talent we have, the coaching we have, and the assets we will gain in 2015 with all of those draft picks + another year of our new regime being able to put in the pieces they want ... there should be a hell of a lot more optimism.

But, unfortunately, the loudest voices on ChiefsPlanet are all going to make this entire offseason, once again, about Alex Smith.

Yaaaay

Give this guy some gold... Wait, is this Reddit?

Alex Smith sucks. But other QBs suck far worse. We all want our own Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers. We've been ****ed and raped out of having a solid consistent QB for decades, so that leaves a sour taste in our mouth. But our QB situation is not near as bad as others. And ****ing Cutler? Are you guys being seriously right now? If I can't have a qb that can bomb the ball down the field effectively, I'm not willing to trade that for a guy that can bomb the ball down the field ineffectively. That's just ****ing reerun talk right there.

Alex Smith isn't great. But our number 1 concern should be the O-line and our receivers. Anybody who thinks putting a a great QB in our system, without a line to block, or receivers to catch, is a moron.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Cmd'r&Chief

If I can't have a qb that can bomb the ball down the field effectively, I'm not willing to trade that for a guy that can bomb the ball down the field ineffectively. That's just ****ing reerun talk right there.

agreed.

[O.city]

I don't disagree hootie.

But our offense isn't explosive enough. They have to go on long drives with alot of plays to score points. With running that many plays, it's more chances for a flaw to be exposed.

Be it the line, the qb, the wrs, whaetver, you've got to improve this offseason to get more explosive.

[Hootie]

Oh absolutely, I totally agree. We need Alex to throw the ball down the field. Period. No excuses. It's 2015, what we did in 2014 isn't going to work, really, ever again.

Being cautious is one thing, doing what we did in 2014 is just inexplicable.

I'm willing to let Reid/Dorsey try and fix the line and add a receiver who can actually take the top off of a defense and then form my final opinion, though.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Oh absolutely, I totally agree. We need Alex to throw the ball down the field. Period. No excuses. It's 2015, what we did in 2014 isn't going to work, really, ever again.

Being cautious is one thing, doing what we did in 2014 is just inexplicable.

I'm willing to let Reid/Dorsey try and fix the line and add a receiver who can actually take the top off of a defense and then form my final opinion, though.

They've got 11 picks and can make it so they money is therr to go pursue one of such.

This is a big offseason for this regime. They need to continue to influx and develop talent to get over the proverbial hump.

[Hootie]

at this point, I understand, but we have a team set up to compete in 2015

Alex Smith is the best option for the Chiefs right now. Anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong.

What we should be focused on doing this offseason is scouting QB's and drafting the guy Reid likes best within the first 3 rounds and developing him behind Smith on a winning organization.

That works every bit as good (if not better) as drafting a Blake Bortles, throwing him right into the shit storm of a shit organization, and hoping for a miracle.

because the Jags may have already ruined that guy

[Hootie]

and all Reid has done his entire NFL career in Philly is draft QB's early even when he had a franchise QB

they drafted Foles, Kolb, Feeley, etc...

I am certain, without a doubt, that Andy Reid (and John Dorsey) realize the importance of NFL QB's.

[SAUTO]

No way is he the most overrated chief in history.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

No way is he the most overrated chief in history.

Who do you believe to be rated higher for no apparent reason? Not trying to be argumentative, just curious.

I agree with Hamas. Of all of the guys I've seen since the 70's, which include Barbaro, Spani, Lewis, Cherry, Burress, Alt, Okoye, Hackett, Maas, Bell, Still and on and on and on, I can't think of anyone that's held in higher regard for being an incomplete player.

Thomas was clearly a phenomenal pass rusher but he wasn't great in coverage or against the run. Houston is an all around great player that's just entering his prime. He may finish Top Two in Chiefs linebacker history.

The only thing that sucks about Houston is that he was drafted by Pioli.