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Prison Bitch · 03-29-2015, 07:38 PM

Ellis is our only good player. Without him this year, that team is a 9 seed probably. He's not a star but he's 1st team all conference. I'd say the rest of the team around him pretty much suck balls (for our standards) and that's why we're not a threat. Self hit the jackpot on AW & Embiid last year, but his recruiting the past 3-4 years outside those two has been dogshit relative to our elite peers.

KC_Connection · 03-29-2015, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Silock

His offense is fine. He just needs the right guys for it. Didn't have that this year. But I'm with you -- if you don't have those guys, you have to change the offense.

I agree, he should have at least tried. They didn't have the personnel to play the system they did at the end there.

In theory, though, Cliff should have been the guy. Hard to plan for him not developing in that area at all. By the time we all made that realization that he wasn't going to (late February), it was probably too late to make the kind of major offensive change necessary. Without Cliff playing at a high level anyway, the ceiling of this team wasn't particularly high.

Ceej · 03-29-2015, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Ellis is our only good player. Without him this year, that team is a 9 seed probably. He's not a star but he's 1st team all conference. I'd say the rest of the team around him pretty much suck balls (for our standards) and that's why we're not a threat. Self hit the jackpot on AW & Embiid last year, but his recruiting the past 3-4 years outside those two has been dogshit relative to our elite peers.

I think you can add Mason into those first, two sentences also.

He's going to be fun to watch his final two years.

KC_Connection · 03-29-2015, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Ellis is our only good player. Without him this year, that team is a 9 seed probably. He's not a star but he's 1st team all conference.

That's pretty insulting to Frank Mason who had a great year. Either way, if a guy as soft and one dimensional as Perry Ellis is one of your best players, it doesn't bode well for your team's chances. I don't anticipate things getting any better next year if he carries as much responsibility again.

Silock · 03-29-2015, 08:02 PM

Graham is also going to be very good. Ellis isn't our ONLY good player.

Silock · 03-29-2015, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

I agree, he should have at least tried. They didn't have the personnel to play the system they did at the end there.

In theory, though, Cliff should have been the guy. Hard to plan for him not developing in that area at all. By the time we all made that realization that he wasn't going to (late February), it was probably too late to make the kind of major offensive change necessary. Without Cliff playing at a high level anyway, the ceiling of this team wasn't particularly high.

Yeah, but Cliff isn't tall enough, either. Maybe his reach is good enough.

Prison Bitch · 03-29-2015, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ceej

I think you can add Mason into those first, two sentences also.

He's going to be fun to watch his final two years.

He's ok. He was mostly shitty vs good competition this year. I wouldn't pin my FF hopes on Frank at PG but I guess we'll have to wish for the best. If Cliff were to miraculously get eligible, KU would have a fringy top-10 team next year. I'd move Wayne to the 3 and start Graham. And run a lot more.

Self is too stubborn to ever play an up tempo system. Which is weird because his teams at Tulsa were full-court pressure. He changed drastically when he got to Illinois.

O.city · 03-29-2015, 08:07 PM

Have to see who they have coming in next year fIrst.

KC_Connection · 03-29-2015, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Silock

Yeah, but Cliff isn't tall enough, either. Maybe his reach is good enough.

Not sure TRob was any taller. But his power and intensity more than made up for any size issues at the NCAA level.

Prison Bitch · 03-29-2015, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Silock

Graham is also going to be very good. Ellis isn't our ONLY good player.

Watching these Elite 8 games, it hit home how far behind we are. We wouldn't have beaten one single team who played this weekend. And would've been blasted by most of them. Hopefully they're all stricken by massive graduations and NBA defections.

KC_Connection · 03-29-2015, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

He's ok. He was mostly shitty vs good competition this year.

Not sure what that statement is based on (if anything). He played well against plenty of good teams. In fact, KU's schedule was so tough that you can count the number of bad teams they played all year on one hand.

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Self is too stubborn to ever play an up tempo system. Which is weird because his teams at Tulsa were full-court pressure. He changed drastically when he got to Illinois.

KU does play an up tempo system if you're comparing him to the rest of college basketball. They were 53rd out of 351 teams this year. And have been well above average since he arrived at KU (an average ranking of 90.3 in tempo over the 12 years).

KC_Connection · 03-29-2015, 08:24 PM

Of the remaining FF teams, Duke is also the only tournament team that plays at a decent pace (122nd). The rest are well below average (250 for MSU, 253 for UK, 345 for W).

Bambi · 03-29-2015, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

I agree, he should have at least tried. They didn't have the personnel to play the system they did at the end there.

In theory, though, Cliff should have been the guy. Hard to plan for him not developing in that area at all. By the time we all made that realization that he wasn't going to (late February), it was probably too late to make the kind of major offensive change necessary. Without Cliff playing at a high level anyway, the ceiling of this team wasn't particularly high.

I knew we were in trouble when I went to the Jordan Classic last year and saw this...

**Saul Good** · 03-29-2015, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

That's pretty insulting to Frank Mason who had a great year. Either way, if a guy as soft and one dimensional as Perry Ellis is one of your best players, it doesn't bode well for your team's chances. I don't anticipate things getting any better next year if he carries as much responsibility again.

You've overrated Mason and underrated Ellis forever. A month ago, you were laughing at anyone who said Mason wasn't the best player on the team. Perry was the best with a bullet all year.

Silock · 03-29-2015, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Not sure TRob was any taller. But his power and intensity more than made up for any size issues at the NCAA level.

He also had Withey playing next to him.

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Prison Bitch Rabbi Goldmann Join Date: Nov 2012 Casino cash: $5450159	Ellis is our only good player. Without him this year, that team is a 9 seed probably. He's not a star but he's 1st team all conference. I'd say the rest of the team around him pretty much suck balls (for our standards) and that's why we're not a threat. Self hit the jackpot on AW & Embiid last year, but his recruiting the past 3-4 years outside those two has been dogshit relative to our elite peers.
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