Other Sports NBA Off-season 2016 thread - Page 10

Al Bundy · 06-20-2016, 10:46 AM

The Cavs came back and smacked the very soft Warriors down. Lebron proved he was the best player by far in the league. The NBA draft on June 23rd.

1 Philadelphia 76ers
2 Los Angeles Lakers
3 Boston Celtics
4 Phoenix Suns
5 Minnesota Timberwolves
6 New Orleans Pelicans
7 Denver Nuggets
8 Sacramento Kings
9 Toronto Raptors
10 Milwaukee Bucks
11 Orlando Magic
12 Utah Jazz
13 Phoenix Suns
14 Chicago Bulls
15 Denver Nuggets
16 Boston Celtics
17 Memphis Grizzlies
18 Detroit Pistons
19 Denver Nuggets
20 Indiana Pacers
21 Atlanta Hawks
22 Charlotte Hornets
23 Boston Celtics
24 Philadelphia 76ers
25 Los Angeles Clippers
26 Philadelphia 76ers
27 Toronto Raptors
28 Phoenix Suns
29 San Antonio Spurs
30 Golden State Warriors

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-01-2016, 09:55 AM

I don't know which is worse, the Parsons deal or Mozgov getting 4/64 from the Lakers.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-01-2016, 09:56 AM

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Little Jimmy.

The only saving grace for the Mozgov deal (and really, there isn't one), is that at least it isn't a max deal so it's not tied to the cap. DeRozan's deal will go up with the cap, so will anybody else that gets a max contract (and I think there's a 'mini-max' that's also tied).

So Mozgov's deal, as frighteningly shitty as it is now, will get slightly less shitty next year when the cap goes up by about 20% and then slightly less shitty the year after that before it can be traded away as an expiring in year 4.

It's a bad bad BAD ****ing deal, but when the smoke clears, there will be worse given out over the next year or two.

It seems like the key is to the NBA is not to have an idiot son named Jimmy that inherits his fortune.

DJ's left nut · 07-01-2016, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I don't know which is worse, the Parsons deal or Mozgov getting 4/64 from the Lakers.

If Parsons actually gets the max, it has to be Parsons given the escalator clauses in the contract.

At that point, the (presumably) Blazers don't even get an advantage of a long-term contract discount because it will go up with the cap.

Like I said, at least Mozgov's deal will get progressively less shitty. Parson's would actually get worse.

O.city · 07-01-2016, 10:15 AM

Lakers are essentially the Raiders from a few years ago, before they started drafting well. Can't get a good FA to come there, even with all that money.

They need Ingram to become a star.

**DaKCMan AP** · 07-01-2016, 10:17 AM

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Whiteside staying in Miami.

**New World Order** · 07-01-2016, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I don't know which is worse, the Parsons deal or Mozgov getting 4/64 from the Lakers.

Mozgov for sure.

He reminds me of Slava Medvedenko.

KevB · 07-01-2016, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

If Parsons actually gets the max, it has to be Parsons given the escalator clauses in the contract.

At that point, the (presumably) Blazers don't even get an advantage of a long-term contract discount because it will go up with the cap.

Like I said, at least Mozgov's deal will get progressively less shitty. Parson's would actually get worse.

Grizz trying to woo Parsons as well, I assume matching the max. I suspect Conley said he'd only re-sign if they make another move to get better. Not sure Parsons is it, but he does fill a need and I'm not sure what else is out there. Regardless, Grizz aren't winning a ring with our without those 2 guys.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-01-2016, 11:10 AM

Noah getting 4/72 from the Knicks is worse than Mozgov's contract.

Again, don't have an idiot son named Jimmy take the reigns of an NBA franchise.

chiefzilla1501 · 07-01-2016, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Noah getting 4/72 from the Knicks is worse than Mozgov's contract.

Again, don't have an idiot son named Jimmy take the reigns of an NBA franchise.

It depends on what version of Mozgov you get. The 2015-2016 version recovering from knee surgery looked really, really, really bad. Maybe he can recover his old form in which case he's an overpaid, but okay player.

saphojunkie · 07-01-2016, 12:50 PM

You guys need to stop looking at the $$ of these contracts, as it was always going to be inflated. These moves can only be judged based on whether or not the team gets better. The money means nothing right now.

DJ's left nut · 07-01-2016, 12:56 PM

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You guys need to stop looking at the $$ of these contracts, as it was always going to be inflated. These moves can only be judged based on whether or not the team gets better. The money means nothing right now.

Well the Lakers suck so even Mozgov makes them better.

That ain't saying much.

My problem with Mozgov isn't the $$, it's the term. He's 30 years old with a 'failed' knee surgery on his resume. He's going to get real bad, real fast. And there will be a new crop of FAs every year. That $16 million won't matter this year because there was nobody that was willing to take the Lakers money right now.

But next year? The year after? As Russell, Ingram, Randolph and Clarkson gel behind Walton (and I think all of them will show significant improvement over the next 2 years), the Lakers could become a nice place to look again.

But alas, we'll have $16 million tied up in this slug through 2020. That sucks any way you look at it.

I'd have rather brought Hibbert back on a 1-year deal and Hibbert is an absolute piece of shit. At least Hibbert would be off the books again next year and we could go again enter FA with a nice cap situation.

KevB · 07-01-2016, 01:19 PM

Free agent Chandler Parsons is nearing agreement on a four-year, $94M max deal with the Memphis Grizzlies, league sources tell @TheVertical.
— Adrian Wojnarowski (@WojVerticalNBA) July 1, 2016

I'm sure that will quickly be followed by Conley announcing he'll re-sign with the Grizz. Good team, but not Championship caliber.

DJ's left nut · 07-01-2016, 02:42 PM

Some reports now that the Mozgov deal is actually 3/$48 with a team option. That's actually pretty palatable, then.

The Lakers don't have anyone up next year so it won't interfere with their 2017/18 salary structure and in the third year, you could always move that deal to a team as an expiring (with them declining the 4th year option).

And if the cap keeps going up 20%/yr, even the team option might be palatable.

Still not a good player, but the deal appears to not be quite the albatross it looked at at first glance, especially not with Parsons getting the max and rumors are that even Bazemore is looking at a deal at/near the max.

Bottom line is that NBA contracts are going to be ****ing nuts this year - period.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-01-2016, 02:54 PM

That Dellavedova contract...

**dirk digler** · 07-01-2016, 03:58 PM

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That Dellavedova contract...

I was about to answer your question about the worst contract. Delly gets almost $10 million a year for being one of the shittest players I have ever seen.

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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7139572	Noah getting 4/72 from the Knicks is worse than Mozgov's contract. Again, don't have an idiot son named Jimmy take the reigns of an NBA franchise. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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saphojunkie MVP Join Date: Aug 2011 Casino cash: $2176550	You guys need to stop looking at the $$ of these contracts, as it was always going to be inflated. These moves can only be judged based on whether or not the team gets better. The money means nothing right now.
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07-01-2016, 01:19 PM	#147
KevB Agree to Disagree Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: The State of Euphoria Casino cash: $10026612	Free agent Chandler Parsons is nearing agreement on a four-year, $94M max deal with the Memphis Grizzlies, league sources tell @TheVertical. — Adrian Wojnarowski (@WojVerticalNBA) July 1, 2016 I'm sure that will quickly be followed by Conley announcing he'll re-sign with the Grizz. Good team, but not Championship caliber.
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07-01-2016, 02:42 PM	#148
DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $-840901	Some reports now that the Mozgov deal is actually 3/$48 with a team option. That's actually pretty palatable, then. The Lakers don't have anyone up next year so it won't interfere with their 2017/18 salary structure and in the third year, you could always move that deal to a team as an expiring (with them declining the 4th year option). And if the cap keeps going up 20%/yr, even the team option might be palatable. Still not a good player, but the deal appears to not be quite the albatross it looked at at first glance, especially not with Parsons getting the max and rumors are that even Bazemore is looking at a deal at/near the max. Bottom line is that NBA contracts are going to be ****ing nuts this year - period. __________________ "If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
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07-01-2016, 02:54 PM	#149
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7139572	That Dellavedova contract... __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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