Does this team have an internal QB controversy?

[Coogs]

This team has went south since the Steelers came to town. The tape showed Smith missing 4 to 5 TD opportunities. There have been other missed chances since. You know the players see the tape.

Meanwhile, we are starting to hear Mahomes is killing it in practice. From the players.

Coaches aren't going to say it publicly, but they don't have to. Players know.

Herd on Sunday Night Football that the Chiefs are playing with no passion. Both before the game and at halftime.

I'm guessing the players know it's time to play the guy that gives the team the best chance.

[Best22]

Originally Posted by ARROW2

Why the **** would the defensive players want Smiff? Makes no sense, especially if Mahomes is tearing that ass up every day in practice.

I don't know. Just like I don't know what Reid was thinking at the end of the half with 57 secs and a timeout

The only thing I know Reid thinks about is pizza, burgers, fries, and calling plays

[iDeaL]

Originally Posted by penchief

Smitty is not a good quarterback. Smitty doesn't even pass the eye test anymore. Smitty doesn't do any of the things really good quarterbacks do. Smitty can't carry a team when needed. Smitty doesn't make those around him better. If it wasn't for Reid, Smitty would probably be nothing more than a stop gap journeyman somewhere.

When Mahomes played he made pedestrian players like Robinson, DAT, and Ross Travis look like really good players. Mahomes is already a better quarterback than Smitty.

Reid thought he could make chicken salad out of Smitty. And he tried hard. But now everybody except you and a few other Smitty first fans have come to obvious conclusion that Smitty is what he is. An above average game manager with below average QB talent and instincts.

I've always wanted Smitty to succeed but the Smitty first fans have soured me completely on that desire. He can't be replaced fast enough. Your obsession with Smitty and your need to refer to him as Smitty is creepy. I'm not sure why I find that annoying but I do. It is just stupid.

Hopefully you will follow Smitty when he leaves KC and become a fake fan of his new team, too.

Idk about Smitty but I'm all for referring to him as Big Al.

[carcosa]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

You are a f**king idiot. Yeah lets fire Andy Reid after how he turned this franchise around. Sounds like a great plan.

This but unironically

[nkd]

regardless of what you all think. Chiefs are still number 1 in division. you don't pull your QB and throw in a rookie. You have to be plain f'in stupid to do that. Has Alex played lights out last few games? no! Do you blame Hunt for being a crappy running back last few games? Nope! Chiefs have no damn run game, Andy has already said the o-line is not doing a great job. But I think Andy is pushing Hunt way too hard. He has worked the guy off, give me some reps off. Switch between him and someone else here and there.

Now lets get away from that. Run game is shut! Chiefs main recievers are injured that Alex had great chemistry with. Now you only have Hill and Kelce. Who else sounds amazing on the receiving core? No one.

run game is gone and you only have two playmakers on the team and your o-line doesn't run block or pass protect very well.

There is your analysis. They are playing bad as a team. Yes they could all play better.

[nkd]

Originally Posted by ARROW2

Why the **** would the defensive players want Smiff? Makes no sense, especially if Mahomes is tearing that ass up every day in practice.

really scout team and NFL are two different things budd. You dont throw in a rookie QB when you are still leading the division. This isn't a time to test talent yet.

[iDeaL]

Originally Posted by nkd

regardless of what you all think. Chiefs are still number 1 in division. you don't pull your QB and throw in a rookie. You have to be plain f'in stupid to do that. Has Alex played lights out last few games? no! Do you blame Hunt for being a crappy running back last few games? Nope! Chiefs have no damn run game, Andy has already said the o-line is not doing a great job. But I think Andy is pushing Hunt way too hard. He has worked the guy off, give me some reps off. Switch between him and someone else here and there.

Now lets get away from that. Run game is shut! Chiefs main recievers are injured that Alex had great chemistry with. Now you only have Hill and Kelce. Who else sounds amazing on the receiving core? No one.

run game is gone and you only have two playmakers on the team and your o-line doesn't run block or pass protect very well.

There is your analysis. They are playing bad as a team. Yes they could all play better.

Run game issues could have something to do with Hunt hitting a wall and the O line not creating a ton of push, but it could also have a lot to do with the fact that teams aren't respecting the downfield passing game at all and for good reason.. they really don't have to. As far as pass protection I think we have been fine. Not great but good enough. Problem is Smith has no pocket presence and when he panics at phantom pressure it makes it seem like the protection broke down prematurely.

[bigjosh]

Originally Posted by nkd

regardless of what you all think. Chiefs are still number 1 in division. you don't pull your QB and throw in a rookie. You have to be plain f'in stupid to do that. Has Alex played lights out last few games? no! (1)Do you blame Hunt for being a crappy running back last few games? Nope! Chiefs have no damn run game, Andy has already said the o-line is not doing a great job. But I think Andy is pushing Hunt way too hard. He has worked the guy off, give me some reps off. (2)Switch between him and someone else here and there.

Now lets get away from that. Run game is shut! (3)Chiefs main recievers are injured that Alex had great chemistry with. Now you only have Hill and Kelce. (4)Who else sounds amazing on the receiving core? No one.

run game is gone and you only have two playmakers on the team and your o-line doesn't run block (5)or pass protect very well.

There is your analysis. (6)They are playing bad as a team. Yes they could all play better.

(1)Partially, yes I do.

(2)This happens all the time.

(3)Kelce, Hill, and Hunt are injured?

(4)Demarcus Robinson is running almost wide open in at least 30% of his snaps in All22.

(5)Yes they do.

(6)I agree here for the most part, but this past game is squarely on number 11.

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by nkd

regardless of what you all think. Chiefs are still number 1 in division. you don't pull your QB and throw in a rookie. You have to be plain f'in stupid to do that. Has Alex played lights out last few games? no! Do you blame Hunt for being a crappy running back last few games? Nope! Chiefs have no damn run game, Andy has already said the o-line is not doing a great job. But I think Andy is pushing Hunt way too hard. He has worked the guy off, give me some reps off. Switch between him and someone else here and there.

Now lets get away from that. Run game is shut! Chiefs main recievers are injured that Alex had great chemistry with. Now you only have Hill and Kelce. Who else sounds amazing on the receiving core? No one.

run game is gone and you only have two playmakers on the team and your o-line doesn't run block or pass protect very well.

There is your analysis. They are playing bad as a team. Yes they could all play better.

We lost our run game when AS went south and we don't have a physical o-line that can road grade when needed(when defenses stack the box). KH and any RB for that matter is only effective when the QB play is good because now the defense can't just key on the run game because now they have to account for the playmaking QB. Defenses have figured out Alex and his weaknesses. There is an old saying that say's "you rush good QBs, however you play cover with the bad QBs forcing them to beat you" not that you can't rush the bad ones but you get my point.

Defenses have copied the Steelers defensive game plan since we lost to them.

Play zone and avoid man to man, shut KH down, and force Alex to throw in tight windows to beat you. He can't do it. This is a QB driven game and league and right now AS has very little confidence and it is getting worse every week and it shows.

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by nkd

really scout team and NFL are two different things budd. You dont throw in a rookie QB when you are still leading the division. This isn't a time to test talent yet.

In most circumstances you are correct, however when clearly the QB's play has been the issue and you have lost the last 4/5 due to his primary bad play in those losses and now you only have a 2 game lead halfway through the season with the Chargers catching their mojo and coming for us, I assure if AS continues the happy foot routine when he doesn't have to and misses wide open receivers with a few more INTs and continuing to lose games AR has to do something because he does not want to lose this divisional lead and winning this division is "the only" way we go to the playoffs because the way we are playing now we won't qualify for even a WC IMHO.

AS/PM2 is a very unique situation unlike most starter/bu's scenarios for sure.

[TwistedChief]

Originally Posted by ARROW2

Based on what? Delusion? You say Mahomes fans are delusional?

No, I think Alex will perform better the remainder of the season just as I thought he would perform worse after the first few games. It's something called regression to the mean. He wasn't the quarterback we saw at the beginning of the season but I do think he's better than what we saw against the Giants. Moreover, the majority - though not everybody - on this board were believers of the "Mahomes lit a fire under Alex" narrative at the beginning of the season given his improved play. If there were any truth to that - and perhaps there were a sliver - I can create a similar one that says, "After the Giants game, Alex Smith had nothing to lose - he knew he was auditioning for his next job on the Browns or Jags and played balls out for the remainder of the year." I'm not arguing for him to be Joe Montana - I'm just arguing for him to take a step up from Steve Bono.

And I'm not saying Mahomes fans are delusional for wanting him to start - I can surely understand that sentiment. I'm saying it's highly unlikely Reid actually goes in that direction unless every game from here on out is as bad as Sunday's game against the Giants (which I personally don't think will be the case but the jury is out).

[bigjosh]

Originally Posted by iDeaL

Run game issues could have something to do with Hunt hitting a wall and the O line not creating a ton of push, but it could also have a lot to do with the fact that teams aren't respecting the downfield passing game at all and for good reason.. they really don't have to. As far as pass protection I think we have been fine. Not great but good enough. Problem is Smith has no pocket presence and when he panics at phantom pressure it makes it seem like the protection broke down prematurely.

All of this.

Same exact shit that happened with cassel.

7 or 8 in the box/cover 2.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by bigjosh

(1)Partially, yes I do.

(2)This happens all the time.

(3)Kelce, Hill, and Hunt are injured?

(4)Demarcus Robinson is running almost wide open in at least 30% of his snaps in All22.

(5)Yes they do.

(6)I agree here for the most part, but this past game is squarely on number 11.

I can't believe how many stretches a game tyreek and demarcus go without a target. If hill didn't have forced wr screens, he would barely have any receptions. How do you have a deep weapon like that and not use it?

[ARROW2]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I can't believe how many stretches a game tyreek and demarcus go without a target. If hill didn't have forced wr screens, he would barely have any receptions. How do you have a deep weapon like that and not use it?

Why do people want to take two more losses to be convinced is beyond me.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Kinda over the whole 'He's not ready' talk.... he's had 11 weeks of regular season football to sit. The extra 6 isn't likely going to make a huge difference at this juncture.

Carson Wentz wasn't ready.
Russell Wilson wasn't ready.
Deshaun Watson wasn't ready.
Derek Carr wasn't ready.

This list could go on and on. Point being, I don't think anyone is 'ready' for their first start. But, Mahomes has been afforded more developmental time than most already and he has a supporting cast that can really help as he eases into gaining more experience.

It's time.

I'm actually OK with mahomes sitting on the bench. As weird as it sounds, I think the front office views this as a throwaway season and so do I. I don't think we have the talent to even win a super bowl even with mahomes. The big benefit we get out of finishing the season with Alex Smith is trade value. If mahomes is the clear cut qb going into next season, no team is going to want to trade for a qb the Chiefs were going to cut anyway. Meanwhile, I don't mind mahomes learning on the bench. I said before, I think mahomes could step in right away and ball out, but I think his tendency to freestyle will make him a constant injury threat. Plus going with mahomes next year puts less controversy. I think people are underestimating how many alexsexuals don't want this move to happen.

The rest of the season will be cringeworthy with smith but I think it sets up a better situation for us. Just patiently waiting for the Alex Smith era to be over.

[ARROW2]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I'm actually OK with mahomes sitting on the bench. As weird as it sounds, I think the front office views this as a throwaway season and so do I. I don't think we have the talent to even win a super bowl even with mahomes. The big benefit we get out of finishing the season with Alex Smith is trade value. If mahomes is the clear cut qb going into next season, no team is going to want to trade for a qb the Chiefs were going to cut anyway. Meanwhile, I don't mind mahomes learning on the bench. I said before, I think mahomes could step in right away and ball out, but I think his tendency to freestyle will make him a constant injury threat. Plus going with mahomes next year puts less controversy. I think people are underestimating how many alexsexuals don't want this move to happen.

The rest of the season will be cringeworthy with smith but I think it sets up a better situation for us. Just patiently waiting for the Alex Smith era to be over.

Bullshit. For one, you don't learn from the bench (see bray) and two, 5-0 doesn't suddenly become a throwaway year. Bench his ass now!