Who's the ONE guy that you just want in this draft? - Page 10

Chris Meck · 02-21-2022, 06:35 PM

Not like in the first round necessarily, just like...the guy you want.

For me, It's Rachaad White. The more I watch, the more I just think this kid is a perfect fit for KC, and could be had with our Poole pick most likely.

htismaqe · 03-28-2022, 08:50 AM

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Why? You don’t want to draft a talent like him bc he can’t play week 1? I’d look at Travis Kelce as an example of that being a foolish idea.

I do think he can come back in October though. He had surgery in mid January and already said he was ahead of schedule.

George Pickens came back after 8 months and looked normal at 10 months against Bama. ACL injuries used to be closer to 12 months on the 9-12 month timeline but I think modern medicine has pushed that to now be closer to 9 months standard

Travis Kelce was a 3rd round pick, not a 1st rounder that we traded up to get.

If he can't play for 9 ****ing months, you're just throwing away draft value.

O.city · 03-28-2022, 08:51 AM

We wanted those picks because of the cheap value. You're burning alot of that if you trade up for him.

htismaqe · 03-28-2022, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

We wanted those picks because of the cheap value. You're burning alot of that if you trade up for him.

Exactly.

Take Williams at 29, fine I guess.

RunKC · 03-28-2022, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

We wanted those picks because of the cheap value. You're burning alot of that if you trade up for him.

To be clear I’m not saying to trade a massive amount of picks for him. I think trading a 3rd and 4th for a really good prospect (be it DE or WR) is fine considerjf you’d still have 3 top 50 picks, 4 in the top 62 and 5 in the top 103.

I like having picks but we have a ton. I want to use some to go get a legit elite talent.

Keep in mind we could do that and then trade down with pick 30 and get a 3rd back from it to replenish.

Lots of fun options

O.city · 03-28-2022, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

To be clear I’m not saying to trade a massive amount of picks for him. I think trading a 3rd and 4th for a really good prospect (be it DE or WR) is fine considerjf you’d still have 3 top 50 picks, 4 in the top 62 and 5 in the top 103.

I like having picks but we have a ton. I want to use some to go get a legit elite talent.

Keep in mind we could do that and then trade down with pick 30 and get a 3rd back from it to replenish.

Lots of fun options

Just depends on how they'd have to go about it.

I don't care either way. You gotta get elite talent somehow.

htismaqe · 03-28-2022, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

To be clear I’m not saying to trade a massive amount of picks for him. I think trading a 3rd and 4th for a really good prospect (be it DE or WR) is fine considerjf you’d still have 3 top 50 picks, 4 in the top 62 and 5 in the top 103.

I like having picks but we have a ton. I want to use some to go get a legit elite talent.

Keep in mind we could do that and then trade down with pick 30 and get a 3rd back from it to replenish.

Lots of fun options

You're likely trading a 1st and 3rd at least, probably a 1st and 2nd, to get up high enough to take Williams if the latest mocks hold true. That's too much.

kcbubb · 03-28-2022, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Show me a timeline where Jameson plays in the season opener and I'm good with it.

If he can't suit up for game 1, don't want him. Simple as that.

I understand where you are coming from and I can respect you wanting an immediate return. I think hardman had 700 yards last season. If jameson could come in and put 500 yards in the last half of the season and play well in the playoffs, wouldn’t that be a success? Look at the success rate of bama wrs. Jameson could do that with mahomes. I don’t want another hardman with Pickens or someone like that, that takes years to produce.

htismaqe · 03-28-2022, 09:03 AM

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I understand where you are coming from and I can respect you wanting an immediate return. I think hardman had 700 yards last season. If jameson could come in and put 500 yards in the last half of the season and play well in the playoffs, wouldn’t that be a success? Look at the success rate of bama wrs. Jameson could do that with mahomes. I don’t want another hardman with Pickens or someone like that, that takes years to produce.

If we draft Williams at 29 and he plays say half a season, that's one thing.

Most of the simulators have him going off the board in the teens. That's a steep price to pay for anybody, let alone a guy that MIGHT be able to play next year.

RunKC · 03-28-2022, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

You're likely trading a 1st and 3rd at least, probably a 1st and 2nd, to get up high enough to take Williams if the latest mocks hold true. That's too much.

Nah I think the highest I’m willing to go is late teens. 3rd, 4th and maybe another day 3 pick is the most I want to give up.

Although I would consider giving up a future 2nd bc I think we’re trading Chris Jones for that next year.

htismaqe · 03-28-2022, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Nah I think the highest I’m willing to go is late teens. 3rd, 4th and maybe another day 3 pick is the most I want to give up.

Although I would consider giving up a future 2nd bc I think we’re trading Chris Jones for that next year.

According to the trade value chart, the likely compensation for picks 18 or 19 (the two lowest in the "teens") is 30 and 62.

That's just too much.

**The Franchise** · 03-28-2022, 09:12 AM

Dude....I'm not trading up to draft ANY of these WRs. Not anything higher than 20...that's for sure.

If we're going to trade up for someone....it'd better be Johnson or Karlaftis at DE.

**The Franchise** · 03-28-2022, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

To be clear I’m not saying to trade a massive amount of picks for him. I think trading a 3rd and 4th for a really good prospect (be it DE or WR) is fine considerjf you’d still have 3 top 50 picks, 4 in the top 62 and 5 in the top 103.

I like having picks but we have a ton. I want to use some to go get a legit elite talent.

Keep in mind we could do that and then trade down with pick 30 and get a 3rd back from it to replenish.

Lots of fun options

So in your mind....it will cost a 3rd to move up from 29 but somehow you're going to get a 3rd round pick back from someone moving up to 30?

Direckshun · 03-28-2022, 09:16 AM

Jordan Davis.

Jordan Davis solves so many things with our defense.

1. His size is a perfect countermeasure to Jones.

2. Jones will allow Davis an entire rookie season full of single-teams.

3. If you have push up the gut this good, your DEs don't need to be outstanding.

4. If Jones walks after his contract is up, Davis should be able to take over those duties.

Trading up and selecting Davis solves a ton of the issues our defensive line has now and in the future.

**The Franchise** · 03-28-2022, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Jordan Davis.

Jordan Davis solves so many things with our defense.

1. His size is a perfect countermeasure to Jones.

2. Jones will allow Davis an entire rookie season full of single-teams.

3. If you have push up the gut this good, your DEs don't need to be outstanding.

4. If Jones walks after his contract is up, Davis should be able to take over those duties.

Trading up and selecting Davis solves a ton of the issues our defensive line has now and in the future.

Dude is a top 15 pick almost guaranteed. I'd love to have him but we have the same chance of getting Travon Walker.

kcbubb · 03-28-2022, 09:18 AM

I get it. I just think Jameson’s likelihood of being a bust is low. I could see a guy like Pickens being a bust. He’s lanky and doesn’t make great cuts. And looks awkward at times. Dotson doesn’t have excellent burst. His 3 cone was like 7.3 which was awful for a guy his size. Christian Watson looks electric but played against inferior Competition and still had low numbers but maybe that’s the qbs fault but it’s still a risk. And then there’s jameson who probably would have 1800 yards without the injury in the sec and bama hasn’t had any busts at wr in a while. And jameson fits perfectly in our offense with mahomes style.

My plan would be to move and get jameson if he’s there around 18-23 and if he’s gone, move up to 23-25 to get burks. I just see jameson as the lowest risk of bust for us that we could reasonably get with a super high ceiling as well.

02-21-2022, 06:35 PM
Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $-1355090	Who's the ONE guy that you just want in this draft? Not like in the first round necessarily, just like...the guy you want. For me, It's Rachaad White. The more I watch, the more I just think this kid is a perfect fit for KC, and could be had with our Poole pick most likely.
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03-28-2022, 08:51 AM	#137
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-715936	We wanted those picks because of the cheap value. You're burning alot of that if you trade up for him.
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03-28-2022, 09:12 AM	#146
The Franchise Most Valuable Villain Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $2065047	Dude....I'm not trading up to draft ANY of these WRs. Not anything higher than 20...that's for sure. If we're going to trade up for someone....it'd better be Johnson or Karlaftis at DE.
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03-28-2022, 09:16 AM	#148
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	Jordan Davis. Jordan Davis solves so many things with our defense. 1. His size is a perfect countermeasure to Jones. 2. Jones will allow Davis an entire rookie season full of single-teams. 3. If you have push up the gut this good, your DEs don't need to be outstanding. 4. If Jones walks after his contract is up, Davis should be able to take over those duties. Trading up and selecting Davis solves a ton of the issues our defensive line has now and in the future.
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03-28-2022, 09:18 AM	#150
kcbubb Veteran Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $5016719	I get it. I just think Jameson’s likelihood of being a bust is low. I could see a guy like Pickens being a bust. He’s lanky and doesn’t make great cuts. And looks awkward at times. Dotson doesn’t have excellent burst. His 3 cone was like 7.3 which was awful for a guy his size. Christian Watson looks electric but played against inferior Competition and still had low numbers but maybe that’s the qbs fault but it’s still a risk. And then there’s jameson who probably would have 1800 yards without the injury in the sec and bama hasn’t had any busts at wr in a while. And jameson fits perfectly in our offense with mahomes style. My plan would be to move and get jameson if he’s there around 18-23 and if he’s gone, move up to 23-25 to get burks. I just see jameson as the lowest risk of bust for us that we could reasonably get with a super high ceiling as well.
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