DJ Moore to Chiefs?

[KingPriest2]

Rumors are coming out he wants out of Carolina. And one of the teams coming up are the Chiefs

What’s your thoughts?

[OKchiefs]

Originally Posted by O.city

The Frank Clark mistake wasn't the trade or the money. It was that Frank Clark got hurt and sucked. If he were the guy he was in Seattle, it's fine.

"Trust your ****ing scouts". Ok. So if your pro scouting department is saying "Brian Burns is one of top 3 or 4 pass rushers in the league, we should spend these resources and add him to our team" do we trust them then or?

You want to find a LT in the draft. That's the ideal option. As we've seen, unless they want to trade up for one, it's gonna take luck to find one where they're drafting based on the last 7 or 8 years of the draft and how that whole thing goes.

Christian Darrisaw was taken at pick 23 and would have been an easy trade up target. He’s quickly turning into one of the better left tackles in the NFL. There are guys out there, don’t necessarily have to take someone too 10.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Stop changing the subject to Brian Burns. We're talking about left tackle.

Again, of the top 20 or so left tackles in the league, HALF of them were taken outside the top half of the first round.

O.City is always talking about Brian Burns.

I'll bet bedtime stories at the City house have really gotten tedious.

"Daddy, we don't want to hear about the big kitty who traded his tail for a tomahawk and saved the magical kingdom again...."

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I'll generally trust the Chiefs' decision-making process on this no matter which way it goes.

But I definitely have more apprehension about Brown's ability to play at a high enough level to justify the type of deal KC offered him in the offseason.

Before this year, based on how he played last year, I was comfortable being vocal about him being a top 10-12 overall LT. Not an elite guy, but good enough that it's reasonable to expect him to be paid right around the top of the market on a new deal.

He hasn't played up to that yet.

I didn't get back to you the other day on the tag/trade vs. let walk in FA/get comp pick discussion. I think the reason you'd be motivated to look at a tag and trade is to get the draft capital NOW for 2023 rather than having to wait until the following year. It would allow KC to be more aggressive in trying to trade up, if that's the plan, for a LT in this draft.

I just don't see him having any trade value, especially given his contract demands. I honestly don't think anybody will want him.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

An ELEMENT of luck, yes. City acts like if you're not picking in the top 15, it's ALL luck.

Nah - he's just a sailor with shore leave and combat pay.

It's vitally important that he figures out a way to deal like 13 picks for 3 players. Give him a young veteran who needs gobs of money, an old guy who may still have some gas in the tank and a trade up into the top 10 and he can just jerk off for daaaaaaays and daaaaays and days to it.

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by O.city

A top 5 player at LT?

I'd rather have and pay a top 5 LT than a top 5 LG or top 5 Safety though.

Sure but it's partly about who is popping up there and available any time soon, and how much cap space we have compared to other teams to capitalise. Obviously we can free up some room and a lot of guys should want to come here, but next year's best LT FA looks like a 40 year old Jason Peters. Maybe Tunsil the year after? We're going to need to draft tackles, soon and probably more than once.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by JPH83

Sure but it's partly about who is popping up there and available any time soon, and how much cap space we have compared to other teams to capitalise. Obviously we can free up some room and a lot of guys should want to come here, but next year's best LT FA looks like a 40 year old Jason Peters. Maybe Tunsil the year after? We're going to need to draft tackles, soon and probably more than once.

Yep.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Stop changing the subject to Brian Burns. We're talking about left tackle.

Again, of the top 20 or so left tackles in the league, HALF of them were taken outside the top half of the first round.

15 picks to get half vs the entire rest of the draft to get the other half.

That would mean the odds are you're gonna have to get up there to get that. I dont' think you have to get to the top 10 per say. But you're probably gonna have to get up around 20 at least.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by O.city

15 picks to get half vs the entire rest of the draft to get the other half.

That would mean the odds are you're gonna have to get up there to get that.

Just stop.

You act like it's impossible to find talent outside the top of the 1st. You're wrong.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Stop changing the subject to Brian Burns. We're talking about left tackle.

Again, of the top 20 or so left tackles in the league, HALF of them were taken outside the top half of the first round.

That’s a pretty big gamble heading into your generational QB’s prime years.

Terron Armstead and David Bakhtiari are the outliers, not the norm. We literally had this convo the year we traded for Brown Jr. it was a great tackle class that was deep. But those guys available weren’t LT’s.

I think they’re gonna end up paying Brown Jr but at a fungible contract that won’t hurt the team. They know how hard it is to find even decent LT’s like Brown Jr.

I think they stick with him due to pride and the knowledge that even with his struggles he’s an acceptable LT that isn’t a full blown disaster. I think they also stick with him bc they don’t want to use resources to fix something they traded a first rd pick for; they’d rather use resources to make the team stronger overall.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Just stop.

You act like it's impossible to find talent outside the top of the 1st. You're wrong.

The numbers are the numbers.

If you want a LT, the odds are, you're gonna have to use a first rounder on one. Probably trade up a bit to get him.

Unless we get lucky.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by RunKC

That’s a pretty big gamble heading into your generational QB’s prime years.

Terron Armstead and David Bakhtiari are the outliers, not the norm. We literally had this convo the year we traded for Brown Jr. it was a great tackle class that was deep. But those guys available weren’t LT’s.

Great LT's are hard to find. Never disputed that. But to act like it's IMPOSSIBLE, like City does, is just disingenuous.

Originally Posted by RunKC

I think they’re gonna end up paying Brown Jr but at a fungible contract that won’t hurt the team. They know how hard it is to find even decent LT’s like Brown Jr.

I think they stick with him due to pride and the knowledge that even with his struggles he’s an acceptable LT that isn’t a full blown disaster. I think they also stick with him bc they don’t want to use resources to fix something they traded a first rd pick for; they’d rather use resources to make the team stronger overall.

In the end, you're probably right. I just hope they get a good deal.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by O.city

The numbers are the numbers.

If you want a LT, the odds are, you're gonna have to use a first rounder on one. Probably trade up a bit to get him.

Unless we get lucky.

Or we have good scouts.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by JPH83

Sure but it's partly about who is popping up there and available any time soon, and how much cap space we have compared to other teams to capitalise. Obviously we can free up some room and a lot of guys should want to come here, but next year's best LT FA looks like a 40 year old Jason Peters. Maybe Tunsil the year after? We're going to need to draft tackles, soon and probably more than once.

We put a LOT of eggs into that OBJ basket. Because the time to draft his replacement was probably last spring.

I worry that they've left themselves without a net a bit. Like you said, the FA tackle class is looking pretty rough.

I mean if Brown's not the route you take, you may end up having to accept someone at Browns level who just comes cheap. You okay replacing Brown with someone that may actually be a hair worse if he costs 1/2 as much? Because that's George Fant. McGlinchy is probably in a similar tier.

I wonder who the Jags have as pending FAs. JaWaan Taylor is still only 24 and he'll be a FA at the end of the year. I really liked him coming out of Florida and he's developed into a pretty good tackle.

The problem is that I can't think of anyone on that team that would be a tag consideration. Even money says they'll tag Taylor if they can't get a deal done. He's a talented young OT who's just coming into his own - those guys get 'surprise' tags all the time. The last one, ironically, being Taylor's opposite number when the Jags tagged Cam Robinson.

The Jags drafted Walker Little in the 2nd round in 2021 - do they really want to spend that kind of money on Taylor to bury Little for another year?

Taylor may honestly be the best we could hope for and he's gonna cost a little bit. And you'd want to be pretty confident he could transition over to LT.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Or we have good scouts.

And in the 2021 draft they said "there's not a LT we like here where we're drafting and/or in range to trade up for, OBJ it is".

It's not as easy as "just scout and find one"

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by RunKC

That’s a pretty big gamble heading into your generational QB’s prime years.

Terron Armstead and David Bakhtiari are the outliers, not the norm. We literally had this convo the year we traded for Brown Jr. it was a great tackle class that was deep. But those guys available weren’t LT’s.

I think they’re gonna end up paying Brown Jr but at a fungible contract that won’t hurt the team. They know how hard it is to find even decent LT’s like Brown Jr.

I think they stick with him due to pride and the knowledge that even with his struggles he’s an acceptable LT that isn’t a full blown disaster. I think they also stick with him bc they don’t want to use resources to fix something they traded a first rd pick for; they’d rather use resources to make the team stronger overall.

I disagree.

I think Brown is living in a fantasy world, and I don't think Veach is.

And two cost controlled seasons for the equivalent of a #2, picking up a #3 in comp return is still a pretty good value deal.