Rumor: Creed & Butker getting new deals

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I just can’t bring myself to pay $18+ million a season for a guy who’s average in coverage.

If we can get him back at $12-14 million I’d listen. But when he went down last year and Tranquil stepped in, we didn’t see much drop off.

Essentially it comes down to paying the players whose value is higher than a cheaper replacement. Bolton just does so much for this defense and it’s not surprising that the really good to elite defenses have solid at worst MLBs.

[Mosbonian]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I just can’t bring myself to pay $18+ million a season for a guy who’s average in coverage.

If we can get him back at $12-14 million I’d listen. But when he went down last year and Tranquil stepped in, we didn’t see much drop off.

I think that the acquisition of Tranquill is horribly underestimated in people's eyes. The guy has been solid, loves playing here and wants to stay here.

The look on his face after he won his first Super Bowl ring here with the Chiefs said it all....going from the hapless Chargers to playing in and contributing to a SB win was priceless.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Mosbonian

I think that the acquisition of Tranquill is horribly underestimated in people's eyes. The guy has been solid, loves playing here and wants to stay here.

The look on his face after he won his first Super Bowl ring here with the Chiefs said it all....going from the hapless Chargers to playing in and contributing to a SB win was priceless.

Love that we got him for the next three years

[Wisconsin_Chief]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I just can’t bring myself to pay $18+ million a season for a guy who’s average in coverage.

If we can get him back at $12-14 million I’d listen. But when he went down last year and Tranquil stepped in, we didn’t see much drop off.

People aren't going to want to hear this, but a huge part of the reason they committed long term to Tranquill is because of what you just posted. Every move this team makes has both a short and a long term purpose. Drue took a very reasonable deal to stay, and that's why he's still here.

As you mentioned, the drop off when he was in there for Bolton wasn't that extreme. I think they want Nick back in a big way, but I just can't see them giving him $18 million a year, either. There's just no way, there are too many guys to pay and this team has proven time and again that, unless you're one of the Big 3, they will let you walk if you won't play under their terms.

I would absolutely hate to see him go, but all the talk about him and Reid being the keys to the D just makes me think of all the times Spags said the same things about Hitchens and Honey Badger. They still had no problem letting those guys walk. It's going to be all about the money, and whether or not there is enough. I hope there is, but I'm not counting on it.

[raybec 4]

Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief

People aren't going to want to hear this, but a huge part of the reason they committed long term to Tranquill is because of what you just posted. Every move this team makes has both a short and a long term purpose. Drue took a very reasonable deal to stay, and that's why he's still here.

As you mentioned, the drop off when he was in there for Bolton wasn't that extreme. I think they want Nick back in a big way, but I just can't see them giving him $18 million a year, either. There's just no way, there are too many guys to pay and this team has proven time and again that, unless you're one of the Big 3, they will let you walk if you won't play under their terms.

I would absolutely hate to see him go, but all the talk about him and Reid being the keys to the D just makes me think of all the times Spags said the same things about Hitchens and Honey Badger. They still had no problem letting those guys walk. It's going to be all about the money, and whether or not there is enough. I hope there is, but I'm not counting on it.

There's almost zero chance Bolton signs an extension before testing the market. They aren't going to offer him Roquan Smith money so he will want to take his talents to the open market and see what his options are.

[Wisconsin_Chief]

Originally Posted by raybec 4

There's almost zero chance Bolton signs an extension before testing the market. They aren't going to offer him Roquan Smith money so he will want to take his talents to the open market and see what his options are.

Yep, and that's likely going to lead to him going elsewhere. There's always a chance his value on the market might not be what we all expect, but with all the new cash that's going to be flowing in and all the dogshit teams out there with gobs of cap room to throw around, someone is going to give him the bag.

I could see one of our division rivals trying to snatch him up. His knowledge of both our offense and defense makes him that much more valuable to them.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

Unless it's just coach speak...Spagnuolo runs a very complicated scheme and Bolton is the on field facilitator.

It's seems it wouldn't be that easy to just plug-and-play a replacement...I'd pick a LB over a center everytime if I had to make a decision....if they were both pro-bowl level players.

I guess it'll just depend on how the staff prioritizes their importance...they know what each position requires schematically.

If they extend Creed...and let Bolton walk, it wasn't done flippantly.

We just fielded, at worst, the league's no 2 defense last year.
Spags says Bolton and Reid are keys to that.
I'd guess both are resigned. Reid a good bit less likely due to KC probably having the best collection of safeties in the league right now.

[JohnnyHammersticks]

Lighten up Francis

[RunKC]

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[Rausch]

Originally Posted by RunKC

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— Rickey (@prettyrickey213) August 1, 2024

My wife's gonna' be pissed if they do trade him. She doesn't know who Rickey is or I'd flip this to her.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by RunKC

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— Rickey (@prettyrickey213) August 1, 2024

#NewDealSF?

That sounds more like an extension than a trade.

[chiefzilla1501]

I know this will controversial, but is this defense dominance sustainable or will we regress to the mean closer to the defenses spags started out with here. Right now we have the right scheme with an incredible core of players. But I think as times change and players swap out defense dominance will be way harder to maintain where on offense Reid and mahomes are always locks. Good news is spags’ floor especially in the playoffs is plenty good enough to win.

At some point we have to make choices about positions to deprioritize. And much as I love having real good MLBs, I kinda think the old eagles way of constantly churning young, cheap talent is the way to go.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I know this will controversial, but is this defense dominance sustainable or will we regress to the mean closer to the defenses spags started out with here. Right now we have the right scheme with an incredible core of players. But I think as times change and players swap out defense dominance will be way harder to maintain where on offense Reid and mahomes are always locks. Good news is spags’ floor especially in the playoffs is plenty good enough to win.

At some point we have to make choices about positions to deprioritize. And much as I love having real good MLBs, I kinda think the old eagles way of constantly churning young, cheap talent is the way to go.

Historically it is much harder to sustain dominant defense than offense.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

Historically it is much harder to sustain dominant defense than offense.

Yeup.

Defense is about not having a weakness. Very few defenses involve a great player patching up holes in an otherwise average unit. Most elite defenses are teams that are strong from top to bottom.

And that takes luck or money.

And in either event, it takes really good timing that rarely lasts for long. Especially in a league where CB play is historically extremely erratic. HOF corners are great every year. Merely very good CBs have almost as many mediocre seasons as great ones.

Last season was a perfect confluence of career years in the defensive backfield, a deep LB corps and good enough play on the DL. That's just damn hard to bank on year over year.

[Nickhead]

i've said it before, and will again, butker does not need a raise. if he isn't doing kickoffs, and keeping the leg warm, his accuracy will suffer and will halve the number of kicks per year.