***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Who claimed it would?

not anyone that ive seen.


it's to slow it down so the hospitals can keep up while also buying us time to try and figure it out

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Stfu... I'm sure before this started you of all people would have predicted that. Mr 'Lets not practice social distancing because the economy is more important!' You ain't saying that shit now are you?

I DID! I even said the suggested 'worst case scenario' of 20% unemployment was unrealistic and we would likely see worse.

Your complete inability to ****ing read anything I say and then opine on it anyway is truly remarkable.

And by all means, point out where I said anything along the lines of 'don't practice social distancing'. Never said it even once. Never said anything approaching it.

You simply refuse to read anything and then argue against your straw man version of it.

This was an OBVIOUS outcome to anyone that would actually sit back and review everything instead of scream 'JUST STAY INSIDE!!!!' without thinking about its consequences.

[SAUTO]

i mean hell where is the wall celebrating everyone that came back from vietnam alive? ww2? ww1?



there arent any that im aware of. there's probably a reason for that

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Used correctly , but the average user isn’t going to change often enough , or not touch it or move it , taking it off the Back on , letting get moist or soiled , gives people false sense of security and they don’t wash there hands as often. Is it better than nothing yes it can be. Would also need eye protection as well.

Population studies during the SARS outbreak demonstrated that medical masks offered a significant protective benefit from infection.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

not anyone that ive seen.


it's to slow it down so the hospitals can keep up while also buying us time to try and figure it out

Exactly.

Good thing with this second wave is for China it looks to be due to people abroad who were trapped abroad.

What we should do is not let that happen here if you’re not already in the us in a month or when this curve flattens you can’t come back for 21 days

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I DID! I even said the suggested 'worst case scenario' of 20% unemployment was unrealistic and we would likely see worse.

Your complete inability to ****ing read anything I say and then opine on it anyway is truly remarkable.

And by all means, point out where I said anything along the lines of 'don't practice social distancing'. Never said it even once. Never said anything approaching it.

You simply refuse to read anything and then argue against your straw man version of it.

This was an OBVIOUS outcome to anyone that would actually sit back and review everything instead of scream 'JUST STAY INSIDE!!!!' without thinking about its consequences.

the issue with what you've been saying about just keep firing rounds is that you wouldnt be firing bullets, they are people's lives. not bullets.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

You should leave economic discussions to the experts, FYI.

Hamas is right. I didn't want to be mean so I held back but I'm seriously shocked you haven't eaten a ****ing bullet by now.

I've been reading your posts for years and have never, not once, seen one from you that wasn't lathered in misery. Try having a positive outlook and sunny disposition for just one ****ing second. You might like it.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Hamas is right. I didn't want to be mean so I held back but I'm seriously shocked you haven't eaten a ****ing bullet by now.

I've been reading your posts for years and have never, not once, seen one from you that wasn't lathered in misery. Try having a positive outlook and sunny disposition for just one ****ing second. You might like it.

Yeah it's getting pretty old.

He's goddamn Eeyore 24/7.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

i mean hell where is the wall celebrating everyone that came back from vietnam alive? ww2? ww1?



there arent any that im aware of. there's probably a reason for that

Because the number of recovered is the N that controls growth rate over a long-enough timeline.

That's how you eventually get your R0 nearer the 1 it needs to be to reverse effects.

It's not a celebration along the lines of "yea! That guy didn't die!!" It's an ability to monitor the other half of the equation. Without knowing how many people are now on the other side of the scale, we cannot adequately model any kind of growth rates or projections.

Knowing if/when/how the carrier pool is being reduced is vital information.

[Bearcat]

ChiefsPlanet fell off the wrong side of the bed this morning.

[kgrund]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Exactly.

Good thing with this second wave is for China it looks to be due to people abroad who were trapped abroad.

What we should do is not let that happen here if you’re not already in the us in a month or when this curve flattens you can’t come back for 21 days

After all of this you are still taking China's word?! Of course it is due to "outsiders coming in". They had it all taken care of until others came back. This could very well be the case, but knowing that Communists almost always lie, I also would believe they are just saying it is coming from the outside to make them look better.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Hamas is right. I didn't want to be mean so I held back but I'm seriously shocked you haven't eaten a ****ing bullet by now.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Because the number of recovered is the N that controls growth rate over a long-enough timeline.

That's how you eventually get your R0 nearer the 1 it needs to be to reverse effects.

It's not a celebration along the lines of "yea! That guy didn't die!!" It's an ability to monitor the other half of the equation. Without knowing how many people are now on the other side of the scale, we cannot adequately model any kind of growth rates or projections.

Knowing if/when/how the carrier pool is being reduced is vital information.

vital information that im SURE the people that need it have. why does pete need to spend every day crying about the media not talking about it?


and with the # of asymptomatic (who knows how many) people out there walking around i'm not sure the recovered rate even means anything at this point towards knowing if the carrier pool is being reduced.


we wont know that until they actually do mass testing. THATS whats going to tell us what we really need to know

[Donger]

If you get infected with SARS-CoV-2, you either recover or die, correct?

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

ChiefsPlanet fell off the wrong side of the bed this morning.

2 weeks of being inside will do that to people, it will only get worse