Chiefs Alex Smith was not the problem Sunday, sorry haters. - Page 104

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 09:10 PM

Despite the common thought here that Alex Smith held down the team Sunday, Smith's overall production to the team yesterday graded out very positive in 3 rankings:
Smith: QBR 94.1, QB rating 99, PFF 71.9
Winston: QBR 83.6, QB rating 97, PFF 50.7

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro...-for-bucs-win/

"Smith gained positive expected points (EPA) on 77 percent of his plays on Sunday, the second-highest rate for a QB in a game this season (Dak Prescott, 83 percent versus Chicago in Week 3). Put simply, more than three-fourths of his plays contributed to the team’s scoring margin, given the context and situation." - http://www.espn.com/blog/statsinfo/p...s-excels-again

This is why we should use our brains instead of repeating the garbage fed to us by Mellinger and Teicher. If Smith only had 34 plays yesterday to do something with the ball and earns both a rushing and passing TD, a FG, to 1 INT (first red zone interception since 2013) and completes an outstanding 77% of passes ... we should probably focus on the real problem yesterday: The Defense. Who didn't show up and allowed Winston/Martin to hold the ball for 35 minutes, earn 24 first downs, and convert 68% of 3rd downs (league average is 40%).

Against the Bucs...
Alex Smith: 1 INT, 99 QB rating
Philip Rivers: 2 INTs, 80 QB rating
Russell Wilson: 2 INTs, 39 QB rating
Drew Brees: 3 INTs, 49 QB rating

**Baby Lee** · 12-21-2016, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth

In red

You can't have it both ways. You can't admit that Clark is not holding Andy and Dorsey back from either riding and dying with Alex or getting someone else, then turn around and hold the failures of the 90s against the current regime.

Outside some random secretaries and hot dog vendors, the 2016 Chiefs have zero in common with the organization of even a decade ago. Half the people you harbor resentments against were pooping Pampers when Bono, Grbac and Kreig were underperforming. Even Alex was just getting hair on his balls when Grbac left town.

stevieray · 12-21-2016, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Truth be told, Alex weighs little in the calculus for me.

He's proven he can win. He's proven he can come back [Chargers, Broncos]. He's proven he can ball out in the playoffs [Colts].

Does he do it all the time? No. But if he CAN, yet he DOESN'T, it's not an ironclad conclusion that he CAN, except when he alone CAN'T.

The bulk of the calculus after judging Alex capable shifts to trusting Andy and Dorsey to both keep frosty on roster evaluation and keep vigilant on new talent acquisition.

If Dorsey and Andy still have faith, I'm rolling with them. If they target a QB, wherever they target, be it a blockbuster trade, a later draft steal or even betting the farm on a blue chipper. I'll trust that as well.

As it stand now, Alex is not 'the' problem. Those who try to single out scapegoats in a team game are simpletons.

And all, and I mean ALL, the talk about the Hunts only want 'mediocrity' and are actively thwarting an express need, voiced by Andy/Dorsey and disregarded, for a better QB out of fear or cheapness is reeruned bullshit.

nice post.

attitude, gratitude.

stevieray · 12-21-2016, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth

Every Alex fan just loves reverting to a TEAM stat in their rebuttals, that should be weighted more towards defense and special teams points.

Out of all the fans that have witnessed this scenario before, you have done it up front and personal. I have to admit you have some massive gonads to keep taking the abuse this franchise feeds you year after year.

You are in LALA land man, just like you were with Matt Cassel and company.

Because, Chiefs.

feel better?

...it won't last.

GloryDayz · 12-21-2016, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

You can't have it both ways. You can't admit that Clark is not holding Andy and Dorsey back from either riding and dying with Alex or getting someone else, then turn around and hold the failures of the 90s against the current regime.

Outside some random secretaries and hot dog vendors, the 2016 Chiefs have zero in common with the organization of even a decade ago. Half the people you harbor resentments against were pooping Pampers when Bono, Grbac and Kreig were underperforming. Even Alex was just getting hair on his balls when Grbac left town.

I don't think anybody's blaming Andy and Alex for 2003, but I AM blaming the continued failure on the Hunts (they predate the secretaries and hotdog vendors!). I am, because of their positions and/or salary, blaming Hunt (again), Dorsey, Andy, and Alex for the 2016 TB and Titan losses. And all of them continuing to fail very-well might mean 47 turns to 48. Others had a part in those two losses, but they earn the coin, or have the position/status, to wear the badge of disgust.

Molitoth · 12-21-2016, 10:55 AM

It boils down to this...

Alex/Andy both get the blame from me. Whatever they are doing is NOT working, it's obvious, and they don't seem to be doing anything to try and fix it. We've seen the same shit all season.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-21-2016, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth

It boils down to this...

Alex/Andy both get the blame from me. Whatever they are doing is NOT working, it's obvious, and they don't seem to be doing anything to try and fix it. We've seen the same shit all season.

Yet in Andy's presser every week, there's some variation of "we're going to fix it", or "I've got to do better".

Rinse, repeat.

Chiefnj2 · 12-21-2016, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth

It boils down to this...

Alex/Andy both get the blame from me. Whatever they are doing is NOT working, it's obvious, and they don't seem to be doing anything to try and fix it. We've seen the same shit all season.

"Whatever they are doing" includes not getting the ball, or trying to get the ball, to play makers. First touch by Hill, fifty yard TD run. Hey, lets not give him the ball the rest of the game, that makes perfect sense.

Reerun_KC · 12-21-2016, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

"Whatever they are doing" includes not getting the ball, or trying to get the ball, to play makers. First touch by Hill, fifty yard TD run. Hey, lets not give him the ball the rest of the game, that makes perfect sense.

Dude that is classic Marty ball. Give the ball to Greg Hill, huge run or TD run... NO touches rest of game...

Reid is a fat Marty...

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-21-2016, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

"Whatever they are doing" includes not getting the ball, or trying to get the ball, to play makers. First touch by Hill, fifty yard TD run. Hey, lets not give him the ball the rest of the game, that makes perfect sense.

I can't remember where I read it, but apparently we're 3-3 when Kelce has 50 yards or fewer, and 7-1 when he's over 50.

Hmmm...I'm not an NFL head coach, but I think I might be focusing on getting 87 the ball.

stevieray · 12-21-2016, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

"Whatever they are doing" includes not getting the ball, or trying to get the ball, to play makers. First touch by Hill, fifty yard TD run. Hey, lets not give him the ball the rest of the game, that makes perfect sense.

This is the most frustrating thing to me.

It's so damn obvious, it really makes me question...

Just how smart is Andy Reid?

Molitoth · 12-21-2016, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

This is the most frustrating thing to me.

It's so damn obvious, it really makes me question...

Just how smart is Andy Reid?

Well, over the past seasons... I've witnessed more of the "can't manage the clock, bonehead decisions, who refuses to run the ball" Andy that I heard about from the Eagles fans.

I def have not witnessed the "QB whisperer, guru, genius" guy that some claim him to be.

Reerun_KC · 12-21-2016, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth

Well, over the past seasons... I've witnessed more of the "can't manage the clock, bonehead decisions, who refuses to run the ball" Andy that I heard about from the Eagles fans.

I def have not witnessed the "QB whisperer, guru, genius" guy that some claim him to be.

I have to agree with this post....

Where is the QB Guru and Offensive Genius that we have heard so much about?

We are in year 4 and can barely function as an offense...

rico · 12-21-2016, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

Must be really hard to understand for professional coaches then. Andy, damn you, don't you understand?!?

You don't get to play this game. You lost this privilege when you use general yardage, TD, and team yard totals to criticize one player (QB). They are ALL team stats... derived from their HC's philosophy.

It's football. It is ALL team results.

Aight, don't answer my honest question then, you microscopic little penis wrinkle.

**The Franchise** · 12-21-2016, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

Must be really hard to understand for professional coaches then. Andy, damn you, don't you understand?!?

You don't get to play this game. You lost this privilege when you use general yardage, TD, and team yard totals to criticize one player (QB). They are ALL team stats... derived from their HC's philosophy.

It's football. It is ALL team results.

Then the argument of "All Alex Smith does is win".....is ****ing dead. You can't use that anymore.

RippedmyFlesh · 12-21-2016, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by rico

What is the picture you have in your head of how this board used to talk about Matt Cassel? Honest question. Do you seriously believe that the CP hate for a QB can't get any worse?

Dude...it was 2-3 times as bad in the Cassel era... Did you know that?

To them nothing existed before alex got to kc.

11-21-2016, 09:33 AM
TigeRRUppeRRcut Banned Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: 19th Hole Casino cash: $10004725	Alex Smith is a solid QB, sorry haters. Bucs win 5th game in a row. Despite the common thought here that Alex Smith held down the team Sunday, Smith's overall production to the team yesterday graded out very positive in 3 rankings: Smith: QBR 94.1, QB rating 99, PFF 71.9 Winston: QBR 83.6, QB rating 97, PFF 50.7 https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro...-for-bucs-win/ "Smith gained positive expected points (EPA) on 77 percent of his plays on Sunday, the second-highest rate for a QB in a game this season (Dak Prescott, 83 percent versus Chicago in Week 3). Put simply, more than three-fourths of his plays contributed to the team’s scoring margin, given the context and situation." - http://www.espn.com/blog/statsinfo/p...s-excels-again This is why we should use our brains instead of repeating the garbage fed to us by Mellinger and Teicher. If Smith only had 34 plays yesterday to do something with the ball and earns both a rushing and passing TD, a FG, to 1 INT (first red zone interception since 2013) and completes an outstanding 77% of passes ... we should probably focus on the real problem yesterday: The Defense. Who didn't show up and allowed Winston/Martin to hold the ball for 35 minutes, earn 24 first downs, and convert 68% of 3rd downs (league average is 40%). Against the Bucs... Alex Smith: 1 INT, 99 QB rating Philip Rivers: 2 INTs, 80 QB rating Russell Wilson: 2 INTs, 39 QB rating Drew Brees: 3 INTs, 49 QB rating Last edited by TigeRRUppeRRcut; 12-11-2016 at 09:10 PM..
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Molitoth Mahomes Fanboi Join Date: Apr 2004 Casino cash: $164969	It boils down to this... Alex/Andy both get the blame from me. Whatever they are doing is NOT working, it's obvious, and they don't seem to be doing anything to try and fix it. We've seen the same shit all season.
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