***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Lol. No greater risk than going to the grocery store huh? Thanks for your expert medical opinion.

17 family members reportedly get coronavirus after attending funeral

https://nypost.com/2020/03/30/family...nding-funeral/

And how many people do you think get it from the store?

Explain to me why there's greater risk at an outdoor funeral than an indoor grocery store. Use ANY degree of critical thinking and give me an explanation. Not an adecdote - an actual honest to god reason.

You think a NY grocery store isn't elbows to assholes at time? Of course they're in crowds there. And there's significantly more contact of items that then get passed around.

Walk me through the actual circumstances that make attending an outdoor funeral more dangerous than going into a grocery store.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Mecca

we start pushing 2k.

Not everyone has 10k sitting in their bank

your math seems to be off here

[F150]

Originally Posted by Mecca

1250, and yes I do but I'm just going to tell you when you take into account that bill plus all my utilities and food we start pushing 2k.

Not everyone has 10k sitting in their bank in case of emergency.

Take away from Corona....you need to do a better job of saving for times like this and it is not the government's job to come to your aid because you(rhetorical you) didn't have the common sense to save more and spend less.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Pushead2

I'm sorry, are you in NYC to know what New Yorkers are actually doing?

Are you going to tell me they aren't going to grocery stores?

What's your point here, sport?

I'm sure many NYers are doing things they should be doing, many are doing things they shouldn't be. And then there are people going to funerals, which is the topic of our conversation. So by all means, expound on your non-sequitur to explain its relevance.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

If that truly is the case then either just about everyone is immune or asymptomatic or the spread would be ****ing outrageous by now.

Or while it might be able to be transmitted like that, the odds are so ****ing small that it isn't worth worrying about.

At one point do we scare ourselves into a full paralysis? Both economic and physical?

Wow.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by F150

Take away from Corona....you need to do a better job of saving for times like this and it is not the government's job to come to your aid because you(rhetorical you) didn't have the common sense to save more and spend less.

Ok, well when the government tells you you can't work, what are you supposed to do?

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

I dunno

That's the most accurate thing you've ever posted.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

your math seems to be off here

I'm saying if it were to be prolonged, because these same problems will still be here on May 1.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

That is their own damn fault, sorry.

What were these people going to do if they lost their job because of some other reason?

You live your life without a net you might break something when you fall.

A part of me feels this way. At least for people with money. If you have a house payment, a car payment, you better have some spare income or you shouldn't have put yourself into debt to begin with.

If you have a shitty ass car, pay check to pay check, struggling to make your rent. I get it. And you should get help.

Rich or middle class people who can't budget properly? I ain't gonna hear it.

[Pushead2]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Are you going to tell me they aren't going to grocery stores?

What's your point here, sport?

I'm sure many NYers are doing things they should be doing, many are doing things they shouldn't be. And then there are people going to funerals, which is the topic of our conversation. So by all means, expound on your non-sequitur to explain its relevance.

How many funerals being held that have thousands of individuals as attendees?

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by O.city

Ok, well when the government tells you you can't work, what are you supposed to do?

See I'm not broke, I could live like 6 months on my savings but not everyone can do that nor do I want to deplete that shit any faster than possible.

[ljmhawk]

Originally Posted by O.city

Ok, well when the government tells you you can't work, what are you supposed to do?

apparently save more than what you make each month lol

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I'm saying if it were to be prolonged, because these same problems will still be here on May 1.

If it is prolonged, the government will assuredly provide another around of payments. Simple.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Pushead2

So when y'all keep going back and forth on NYC, Cuomo, de Blasio, the subways shutting down and wondering why the number of people infected keeps increasing, come back to me.

BTW, that funeral I think was in 2019.....not 2020

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

You don't save a little money every month, you might be up shit creek when the toilet flushes.

Not everyone can save money every month.

I know before I made a post much like yours before but I was wrong. Someone doesn't save up and they get fired from a job for being a dick or not working up to company standards when they don't have money saved fine but in this case no one deserves to be put on the street.