A mock draft that will make your heads explode

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

The problem is that the rookie wage scale has changed the scenario that existed the year the Browns did that. The risk with a QB has dropped a ton. When you consider how important a QB is I don't think its a hard decision. Geno/Siler vs. Bray/Teo. I don't have to think twice about that. You are much more likely to find an impact ILB later in the draft, in FA, or hell, undrafted ie. the guy Teo would be replacing.

We have 3 very good LB's. We won't be killed if the 4th isn't amazing. We can't **** around getting a QB. I think its foolish to be alright taking the 3rd or 4th, maybe 5th QB in the draft so we can improve another position. ILB isn't even our second most important position. You could argue that besides CB its behind DE and S.

I would disagree with you. Our needs are exactly this.

1. QB
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2. CB/ILB
3. Tackle
4-whatever Guard, DE, Safety, Tight End.

The point you are just not getting is the talent difference here, and how marginally they might be, or more importantly, where our FO decides to place them at.

Imagine this was Madden for a second, so I can dumb this down.

you have 5 QB's in the first two rounds, they are ranked as such.

1. Smith: 82 Overall
2. Barkley: 81 Overall
3. Wilson: 81 Overall
4. Bray: 80 Overall
5. Glennon: 77 Overall

2 of those guys will get taken in the first round, the other 3 will be available in the second round.

Now lets say ILB goes like this

1. Te'O: 87 Overall
2. Minter: 83 Overall
3. Ogletree: 81 Overall
4. Johnson: 80 Overall
5. Skov: 78 Overall

You're telling me that you wouldn't take, say, Te'O at an overall score of 87, and then draft Wilson at an 81 overall? Instead you'd take Smith at 82 and Ogletree at 81? Seems like you get better Value out of Te'o/Wilson than Smith/Ogletree.

Of course, that is under the assumption that no QB separates themselves and proves to be elite, because none of them have so far.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

Now lets say ILB goes like this

1. Te'O: 87 Overall
2. Minter: 83 Overall
3. Ogletree: 81 Overall
4. Johnson: 80 Overall
5. Skov: 78 Overall

You're telling me that you wouldn't take, say, Te'O at an overall score of 87, and then draft Wilson at an 81 overall? Instead you'd take Smith at 82 and Ogletree at 81? Seems like you get better Value out of Te'o/Wilson than Smith/Ogletree.

What are the kicker/punter rankings? If we could get a 99 punter with our 83 QB, and then pick up a 78 ILB, THEN we'd be talking!

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by SNR

You basically, are, yeah. Play it off with sarcasm, but Jovan Belcher's spot in our 3-4 defense isn't that ****ing important. Why the **** would we even CONSIDER drafting that spot at #1 overall when it can be had later in the draft?

And before you say "these QBs can be drafted later on," the answer is "No." They should not be drafted later. They're so much more ****ing important. The potential reward is higher, and the potential bust factor is negligible.

No, I'm really not. All I'm saying right now, is that Te'o is the guy in this draft, as of right now. He's the Bee's Knees as they'll say. So far the general consensus is that the QB position is a cluster**** in this draft, it isn't great, there is no separation, and of all drafts not to waste a top pick in, this is the one not to waste a top pick on a QB in. ****, Pretty sure Kiper has already even hinted at that, but I hate Kiper so lets not put stock in him.

Point is, it isn't about taking a risk and getting boom or bust, its about priorities. If we can take that boom/bust pick in the second and get a guaranteed starter in a position of need in the first, why not take my route? And kill two birds with one stone?

Originally Posted by SNR

What are the kicker/punter rankings? If we could get a 99 punter with our 83 QB, and then pick up a 78 ILB, THEN we'd be talking!

We already have our MVP punter

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

Point is, it isn't about taking a risk and getting boom or bust, its about priorities. If we can take that boom/bust pick in the second and get a guaranteed starter in a position of need in the first, why not take my route? And kill two birds with one stone?



We already have our MVP punter

Colquitt's on the last year of his contract. He'll need leverage. Call up Gene Smith and find out what his scouts know about punters.

And your route sucks. It delays the most important position unnecessarily. It takes away our agency and choice, which is the WHOLE ****ING POINT of giving the worst team in the NFL the #1 overall pick. Why settle for Mike Glennon or (worse) Ryan Nassib when we can pick from Geno Smith or Tyler Wilson (both of him will be gone likely by the top 10). Why would you delay taking the best possible QB all so you can get ****ing TEO?

And Te'o isn't the ****ing bee's knees of this draft. He doesn't have elite speed. He's not a physical freak like Pat Willis. He's probably pretty smart and pretty dedicated. He could be a good player, but so could Shane Skov, who can be had likely TWO ****ING ROUNDS later. Te'o isn't Patrick Willis like you think he is. He's not Ray Lewis. He's James Laurenaitis at best.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

No, I'm really not. All I'm saying right now, is that Te'o is the guy in this draft, as of right now. He's the Bee's Knees as they'll say. So far the general consensus is that the QB position is a cluster**** in this draft, it isn't great, there is no separation, and of all drafts not to waste a top pick in, this is the one not to waste a top pick on a QB in. ****, Pretty sure Kiper has already even hinted at that, but I hate Kiper so lets not put stock in him.

You just did you ****ing moron.

Point is, it isn't about taking a risk and getting boom or bust, its about priorities. If we can take that boom/bust pick in the second and get a guaranteed starter in a position of need in the first, why not take my route? And kill two birds with one stone?

Hmmm...

Let's take a look at three possible outcomes come draft day:

1. Geno Smith in the first and Kevin Minter in the second.

2. Manti Te'o in the first and, say, Ryan Nassib or Mike Glennon in the second.

3. Luke Joeckel in the first and trade our second for Alex Smith.

I think I'll go with door number one, Bob. That's two Day 1 high level starters. Yes please.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

Imagine this was Madden for a second, so I can dumb this down.

you have 5 QB's in the first two rounds, they are ranked as such.

1. Smith: 82 Overall
2. Barkley: 81 Overall
3. Wilson: 81 Overall
4. Bray: 80 Overall
5. Glennon: 77 Overall

2 of those guys will get taken in the first round, the other 3 will be available in the second round.

Now lets say ILB goes like this

1. Te'O: 87 Overall
2. Minter: 83 Overall
3. Ogletree: 81 Overall
4. Johnson: 80 Overall
5. Skov: 78 Overall

You're telling me that you wouldn't take, say, Te'O at an overall score of 87, and then draft Wilson at an 81 overall? Instead you'd take Smith at 82 and Ogletree at 81? Seems like you get better Value out of Te'o/Wilson than Smith/Ogletree.

Holy shit.

You can't possibly be this ****ing stupid.

[Nightfyre]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

I would disagree with you. Our needs are exactly this.

1. QB
.
.
.
.
.
.
2. CB/ILB
3. Tackle
4-whatever Guard, DE, Safety, Tight End.

The point you are just not getting is the talent difference here, and how marginally they might be, or more importantly, where our FO decides to place them at.

Imagine this was Madden for a second, so I can dumb this down.

you have 5 QB's in the first two rounds, they are ranked as such.

1. Smith: 82 Overall
2. Barkley: 81 Overall
3. Wilson: 81 Overall
4. Bray: 80 Overall
5. Glennon: 77 Overall

2 of those guys will get taken in the first round, the other 3 will be available in the second round.

Now lets say ILB goes like this

1. Te'O: 87 Overall
2. Minter: 83 Overall
3. Ogletree: 81 Overall
4. Johnson: 80 Overall
5. Skov: 78 Overall

You're telling me that you wouldn't take, say, Te'O at an overall score of 87, and then draft Wilson at an 81 overall? Instead you'd take Smith at 82 and Ogletree at 81? Seems like you get better Value out of Te'o/Wilson than Smith/Ogletree.

Of course, that is under the assumption that no QB separates themselves and proves to be elite, because none of them have so far.

If we're playing madden, what are the speeds of the linebackers? That makes a big difference for me.

[NJChiefsFan]

The problem isn't that I don't understand what you are saying. The problem is that the difference between Geno/Wilson and the rest is big enough. Having Barkley over Wilson is crazy. Also, ILB being tied with CB is crazy. That is the major issue that creates the argument. That and not understanding that the QB position is SO important that even if you aren't gaining a massive difference between 1st and 2nd round QBs, its still more than enough to make QB the pick over Teo.

[NJChiefsFan]

You also asked me who Glennon was a while back. How can you possibly rank him properly or understand the gap between him and Geno/Wilson?

[RealSNR]

Manti Te'o isn't this prized treasure that every defense needs. He's not a once-in-a-lifetime player. He's not ****ing Ray Lewis. I don't know why the hell you think he is.

He's ****ing not.

[Nightfyre]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

You just did you ****ing moron.



Hmmm...

Let's take a look at three possible outcomes come draft day:

1. Geno Smith in the first and Kevin Minter in the second.

2. Manti Te'o in the first and, say, Ryan Nassib or Mike Glennon in the second.

3. Luke Joeckel in the first and trade our second for Alex Smith.

I think I'll go with door number one, Bob. That's two Day 1 high level starters. Yes please.

Or:
1. Geno Smith
2. Xavier Rhodes
3a. Margus Hunt
3b. Jonathan Franklin
4. Baccari Rambo
5. AJ Klein
6. Marcus Lattimore
7. Ray Ray Armstrong

[RealSNR]

Drafting a LB to improve the tackling is like drafting a WR to improve the drop percentage.

What you want is a LB who will always be in a position to make the play. That's what Patrick Willis does very well. The opposite is a guy who is incapable of getting into a good position, but always wraps up when he does. Like Mike Maslowski.

Te'o is something in between. But he sure as **** ain't Ray Lewis or Patrick Willis, and that's not going to help us out one bit.

Geno Smith, however, WILL help us out if he even plays decent. He'll help us out A LOT.

[NJChiefsFan]

At some point you said you needed to look at more tape on a few guys. Kinda sounds like somebody not doing as much research as NightFyre. Or maybe we all misunderstood you yet again. It's all the sarcasm and lack of reading comprehension. Yeah, everyone is making the exact same mistakes. Probably not just you.

[RealSNR]

I need to justify my opinions? What the **** do you think I've been doing?

How about YOU tell me what makes Te'o so ****ing special? And how about YOU tell me why the **** teams like Jacksonville, Oakland, Cleveland, Arizona, Buffalo, New York, and many others would ALL pass on a QB in the first round?

You're the one making the ridiculous argument that only one or two QBs will be drafted in the first round. I'm not backing shit for you.

Go do your ****ing homework before you lecture me on logic and foundations of an argument, when all you've been doing is using tricks and sophistry to pimp up an ILB being taken at #1 overall.

[Nightfyre]

AJ Klein brings you exactly what Manti Teo brings you. Just sayin