Romeo Crennel (likely) to Chiefs (ESPN)

[Archie F. Swin]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4792324

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Cool. How about points per game?

Looking it up now.....

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

We don't know that, but we also don't know that he'll be a failure.

This is another one of those "let's wait before we judge" situations.

One thing I know he will do is make our defensive linemen fundamentally sound, mean bastards. If he has any track record, he really knows how to coach d-linemen to play the 3-4. Can't vouch for his playcalling. But you can vouch for his positional coaching at three specific positions.

The idea that coaching can magically make shitty players into productive players is what got the Chiefs into this year's fiasco.

Unless Romeo's fat ass plans on suiting up at nose tackle next year, he can't magically create a dominant nose tackle that can devour 2-3 blockers.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88

The idea that coaching can magically make shitty players into productive players is what got the Chiefs into this year's fiasco.

Unless Romeo's fat ass plans on suiting up at nose tackle next year, he can't magically create a dominant nose tackle that can devour 2-3 blockers.

No, but he might be smart enough to change the scheme in such a way that the existing players are more effective.

That's what good coaches do.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I've said a million times the 2009 Chiefs draft was a sack of shit.

Why can't you acknowledge that with a full year of scouting with several new area scouts, a new College Scouting Director (groomed by Dimitroff), a full year to set the scouts straight on what to look for, scouts who know how to look for 3-4 guys, and a full year to consult with the coaching staff and eventually new coordinators, that there's a chance 2010 will be better?

I've never even said the Chiefs' 2010 draft will be better. I'm just saying that enough has change in the front office and in the organization since the last draft that might make us better.

I just don't understand how some people don't think those massive changes within the organization aren't going to make one lick of a difference.

Because you act like Pioli hadn't been doing these things in NE.

Oddly enough, we happen to play the same defensive scheme as NE, and a very similar offensive scheme.

He was hired by a team that had holes everywhere.

The draft shouldn't have been a challenge for him at all.

[Titty Meat]

2001: 17
2002: 21.6
2003: 14.9
2004: 16.2

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

There is no quantifiable proof that change for the sake of change brings improvement.

The 2009 Chiefs draft, run by Scott Pioli, was arguably the worst draft in 50 years of the Chiefs franchise.

I'll need more than "massive changes' to believe that 2010 will be any better.

I'll need proof. And that proof won't come until May 2010.

I agree on all those points. Always have.

I didn't like the moves made in 2009. But I do believe there were major changes made to the front office. So like I said, we'll see... there's reason to believe things will get better. But like you, I'm just waiting to see before I form an opinion on Pioli. That's the only difference.

[Titty Meat]

2001: 17
2002: 21.6
2003: 14.9
2004: 16.2

[Titty Meat]

2005: Browns gave up 18.8. Interesting the year Crennel left New England they gave up more points a game than Cleveland.

2006: 22.2
2007: 23.9
2008: 21.9

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I agree on all those points. Always have.

I didn't like the moves made in 2009. But I do believe there were major changes made to the front office. So like I said, we'll see... there's reason to believe things will get better. But like you, I'm just waiting to see before I form an opinion on Pioli. That's the only difference.

The only opinion I've formed is of the 2009 draft.

If the 2010 draft is a slamdunk, I'll admit it in a millisecond.

If it's a head scratcher, I'll have my doubts as to his personnel decisions for two years running.

Simple as that.

[Titty Meat]

I hope the Chiefs hire Crennel.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by billay

2005: Browns gave up 18.8. Interesting the year Crennel left New England they gave up more points a game than Cleveland.

2006: 22.2
2007: 23.9
2008: 21.9

Thanks for the research!

Without looking at the roster, I'd say that's quantifiable evidence.

I really hope the reports are true because a change is absolutely necessary and I doubt that Pioli goes outside his "family".

I think Mangini will return in Cleveland, so he's out of running.

[TigerPig]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Thanks for the research!

Without looking at the roster, I'd say that's quantifiable evidence.

I really hope the reports are true because a change is absolutely necessary and I doubt that Pioli goes outside his "family".

I think Mangini will return in Cleveland, so he's out of running.

His name is Mangina. :-)

Crennel will be a good pick, just to mix things up. Maybe he'll have some experience with a 3-4 and teach us how to STOP THE RUN!!!

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by TigerPig

His name is Mangina. :-)

Crennel will be a good pick, just to mix things up. Maybe he'll have some experience with a 3-4 and teach us how to STOP THE RUN!!!

Unfortunately, stopping the run will have to come from the talent.

But I think that Crennel (or any other DC to be hired) would hopefully be more objective in terms of personnel and schemes.

There's definitely some talent on the defensive side of the ball and there's definitely some positional groups lacking in talent.

I'd like to see a DC that takes advantage of the personnel strengths and minimizes the weaknesses as much as possible.

Gunther and Pendergast, IMO, have proven themselves to be unable to do just that.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Thanks for the research!

Without looking at the roster, I'd say that's quantifiable evidence.

I really hope the reports are true because a change is absolutely necessary and I doubt that Pioli goes outside his "family".

I think Mangini will return in Cleveland, so he's out of running.

I think having a guy like Romeo can only help Haley the same with Weis. I would like the Weis hire too I think he can improve Cassels play.

Do you think its fair to label this offseason as Piolis most important? If the Chiefs only win 4 games next year is it fair to say this regime isn't going to win anything?

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Because you act like Pioli hadn't been doing these things in NE.

Oddly enough, we happen to play the same defensive scheme as NE, and a very similar offensive scheme.

He was hired by a team that had holes everywhere.

The draft shouldn't have been a challenge for him at all.

And you're acting like drafting is as easy as reading a few online scouting reports. The scouting between August to December is geared toward highlighting key prospects and starting to form questions that you answer at the combine. It gives you questions to ask, not answers. And no, the GM or Personnel Director doesn't usually have time to mull through thousands of different players. That's why they always say the first few picks go to the front office, and the later picks go to the scouts.

The most important months leading into the draft start in January through April. And you act like the College Director of Scouting and your Area Scouts then go on an 8-month vacation. Going through this four-month crunch period without being able to consult with the scouts who have been collecting information for you all this time puts you at a serious disadvantage. And no, I highly doubt that New England was sharing this information with Pioli after he left.