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Old 08-17-2022, 08:45 AM  
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Old 08-17-2022, 12:28 PM   #151
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65 yards by field measurement, so maybe 70 with angle
Hard to tell where it lands, but it looks like the 35 yard line hash or so and he threw it from just inside the end zone that’s 8 yards added so 70-80 yards is my best guess from that shot.
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Old 08-17-2022, 12:50 PM   #152
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Not going to come close to agreeing here. MVS is 3rd fiddle and a luxury at this point.
Hardman doesn’t have MVS size and contested catch ability.

MVS is inconsistent but brings a size/speed combo rivaled by very few.
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Old 08-17-2022, 12:52 PM   #153
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65 yards by field measurement, so maybe 70 with angle
Meh. Josh Allen could have thrown it 80 yards and then ran to catch the ball himself.
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Hardman doesn’t have MVS size and contested catch ability.

MVS is inconsistent but brings a size/speed combo rivaled by very few.
Which is why I'd prefer not to lose any of our top 4 WRs.

They all bring something different/unique to the table. They have the potential to make us even more dangerous than ever by making us diverse and very unpredictable.
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Old 08-17-2022, 01:16 PM   #155
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I was just thinking yesterday how we've been really fortunate with injuries in recent years. Hopefully this was just a scare.
We were due for some injury-free years after Haglund's Disease snuffed out our spirit at such a young age.
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Hardman doesn’t have MVS size and contested catch ability.

MVS is inconsistent but brings a size/speed combo rivaled by very few.
I think JuJu has those traits as well.

I suppose Skye could fill the Hardman void if needed but out of the projected top 4 WR, I think we would miss MVS the least.
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Old 08-17-2022, 01:30 PM   #158
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....It sucks to hear it’s a groin injury. For Mecole skill set specifically, it’s a pretty big blow. Groin injuries take time to heal, they can resurface after healed and cause a loss of speed, change of direction and explosion.
If they call DeShawn Watson, maybe he can advise on how to take care of a groin injury
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Which is why I'd prefer not to lose any of our top 4 WRs.

They all bring something different/unique to the table. They have the potential to make us even more dangerous than ever by making us diverse and very unpredictable.
I'm not sure that Watson brings anything 'unique', but that's kinda my point.

JJSS, MVS and Hardman are all fairly unique players. JJSS is very physical; smooth route runner. MVS is a size/speed problem. Hardman is just a rocket.

Of those guys, Watson most closely approximates Hardman in both his strengths, weaknesses and play style, IMO. So again, while I think we're better with the 'big 3' intact, if I had to pick one to drop off and replace, I think it would be Hardman because I think we can more seamlessly transition to Watson from Hardman than we could with anybody else.

I just don't see anyone with JJSS's physicality or MVS ability to both be a threat to stretch the field OR take it over the middle.

Ask me who I think will be more productive and it's Hardman over MVS 100 times out of 100. But from a pure traits/replaceability standpoint, I'm going with MVS over Hardman.

Maybe I'm buying into the legend of Justin Watson a bit too much, though. He just looks awfully good out there.
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Hard to tell where it lands, but it looks like the 35 yard line hash or so and he threw it from just inside the end zone that’s 8 yards added so 70-80 yards is my best guess from that shot.
Agree. It at least hits the 40. Maybe the 35. Around 75 sounds right.
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I think JuJu has those traits as well.

I suppose Skye could fill the Hardman void if needed but out of the projected top 4 WR, I think we would miss MVS the least.
JJSS doesn't have near MVS's speed or ability go explode up for the ball. MVS is really a shockingly good athlete.

Guy just has erratic hands. But the traits are ridiculous.
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I'm not sure that Watson brings anything 'unique', but that's kinda my point.

JJSS, MVS and Hardman are all fairly unique players. JJSS is very physical; smooth route runner. MVS is a size/speed problem. Hardman is just a rocket.

Of those guys, Watson most closely approximates Hardman in both his strengths, weaknesses and play style, IMO. So again, while I think we're better with the 'big 3' intact, if I had to pick one to drop off and replace, I think it would be Hardman because I think we can more seamlessly transition to Watson from Hardman than we could with anybody else.

I just don't see anyone with JJSS's physicality or MVS ability to both be a threat to stretch the field OR take it over the middle.

Ask me who I think will be more productive and it's Hardman over MVS 100 times out of 100. But from a pure traits/replaceability standpoint, I'm going with MVS over Hardman.

Maybe I'm buying into the legend of Justin Watson a bit too much, though. He just looks awfully good out there.
I was talking about JuJu, Hardman, MVS, and Skyy.
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