Chiefs Andy Reid may not be right coach for Chiefs - Page 11

oaklandhater · 01-08-2018, 08:49 PM

http://www.espn.com/blog/kansas-city...ach-for-chiefs

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Andy Reid was hailed as a hero shortly after joining the Kansas City Chiefs as head coach in 2013, and why not? Reid took a team that had been the worst in the league the year before, and not only won his first nine games but guided the Chiefs into the playoffs.

Reid's star barely dimmed in Kansas City as he took the Chiefs to the playoffs in each of the past three seasons. He even won a playoff game two years ago, the Chiefs' first postseason victory in 22 years.

The free pass for Reid should be over now.

Reid guided Kansas City in Saturday's 22-21 playoff loss to the Tennessee Titans at Arrowhead Stadium. The Chiefs led by 18 points at halftime and collapsed after that.

This makes Reid 1-4 with the Chiefs in the playoffs, and the latest defeat was not the first big blown lead of the bunch. The Chiefs had the Colts down 38-10 in the third quarter in the playoffs after the 2013 season and they lost that one, too.

Reid's two blown leads of 18 points or more in the playoffs are as many as every other coach in the NFL since 1933.

This latest loss stings more than the one against the Colts. That one was bad, but at least it happened on the road and in Reid's first season, with a team that was not yet complete in his image.

This time the Chiefs wasted a big playoff lead at home. They did it with a team that was supposedly built not just to get into the playoffs but advance in them.

Quarterback Alex Smith acknowledged afterward that the 2017 Chiefs underachieved, and it's hard to argue with him on that point.

Beyond the blown leads, Reid is costing the Chiefs in the playoffs in other ways. His game management has been a problem at times in the postseason. The Chiefs were deliberate offensively despite being down by two touchdowns in the fourth quarter of a game in New England two years ago. They eventually scored a touchdown but took so much time in doing so they had no choice but to try an onside kick to keep the ball.

With the Patriots aware it was coming, the tactic failed and the Chiefs lost.

Trailing the Titans by a point with two minutes to go in the fourth quarter, the Chiefs tried to convert on fourth-and-9 from the Tennessee 44 with all three timeouts remaining. Smith's pass for Albert Wilson was incomplete and the Chiefs were doomed, never to get the ball back.

It's important to remember here how bad the Chiefs were when Reid arrived. They were a forlorn franchise that won no more than four games in four of the six previous seasons. They were barely competitive in each of their two playoff games before his arrival.

He was hired to provide some much-needed stability and Reid has accomplished that. The Chiefs have made the playoffs in four of his five seasons. They've won back-to-back division titles for the first time in franchise history.

That counts for something. But its meaning loses impact when the Chiefs continually can't budge beyond their opening playoff game. They did that once, two years ago against a dismal opponent in the Houston Texans.

Reid at this juncture looks like a coach who is good enough to get the Chiefs to the playoffs but not beyond. That's why they have to take a moment or two to ponder whether he's still the right guy for the job.

**notorious** · 06-26-2018, 10:11 AM

Andy Reid might be the last coach I would choose to have in a close game with 2 minutes left.

I think he is a very good coach, too. His warts are infuriating.

ToxSocks · 06-26-2018, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by notorious

Andy Reid might be the last coach I would choose to have in a close game with 2 minutes left.

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This is quite over rated as of late. He use to have an issue with it, but not over the last few seasons.

I see people also bitch about Andy electing to kick to start the game, which is crazy talk. Getting the ball to start the 2nd half is by far the better option, and it's something he stole from Belichick.

ToxSocks · 06-26-2018, 10:18 AM

Early in the season last season people were talking about Andy Reid re-inventing the NFL with his spread concepts. He out-coached the "greatest" coach in week 1. That Patriots D had no answer.

He would then go and molly-whop the eventual SB champions.

He now has the most talented QB he's EVER had. It's going to be a fun season. I doubt the Chiefs win the SB. And when they don't i'm sure Chiefs fans will come out in droves to blame Reid.

They'll whine and complain that he needs to be fired, and when Andy isn't fired they'll blame Clark.

"Clark only cares about putting asses in the seats".

You can take that shit to the bank.

RunKC · 06-26-2018, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

So Belichick is lucky and Rodgers has been more consistent over his career than Brady.

Ok then....

Yeah I see your point. I’m going with the fact that Brady was a 6th rd pick.

Stryker · 06-26-2018, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

why would you not choose a young, offensive minded coach to groom your young QB in todays current NFL? its the blueprint model right now especially with Brady, Brees and the rest of the old guard ready to retire soon.

These old coaches are being phased out sooner than later. Chiefs will regret losing both Pederson and Nagy during their tenures here.

That's a very good point

O.city · 06-26-2018, 10:43 AM

Andy's also great at developing future coaches.

mcaj22 · 06-26-2018, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Andy's also great at developing future coaches.

he also develops bad ones too. The trick is identifying the good ones.

milkman · 06-26-2018, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

McCarthy doesn’t apply bc he is the 2nd luckiest mother****er in NFL history after Belichick.

Aaron Rodgers is the most talented and consistent QB that has ever played this game. Ever. He’s top 5 all time.

What happened in 2010 is an outlier that will rarely happen in history. That fat **** has wasted Rodgers career with his shitty ass coaching the last 7 years.

We can only pray that Mahomes is one of the greatest to ever play like Rodgers.

McCarthy is a mediocre coach, but more of the blame for the Packers' failures to advance in the playoffs goes to Ted Thompson, who has done a piss poor job in the draft and overall team building.

Kiimo · 06-26-2018, 10:50 AM

I guess it was only a matter of time before people in here started sounding like ass Eagles fans.

Those a-holes didn't believe in Pederson either until he won. They complained about Foles and now call him Big Dick Nick. Wash your vaginas.

CoMoChief · 06-26-2018, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

McCarthy doesn’t apply bc he is the 2nd luckiest mother****er in NFL history after Belichick.

Aaron Rodgers is the most talented and consistent QB that has ever played this game. Ever. He’s top 5 all time.

What happened in 2010 is an outlier that will rarely happen in history. That fat **** has wasted Rodgers career with his shitty ass coaching the last 7 years.

We can only pray that Mahomes is one of the greatest to ever play like Rodgers.

BB at least fielded some top defenses, those early BB era Pats teams won off defense.

Id say Tony Dungy is the luckiest coach of alltime. Hes a shit coach who benefitted from Manning running the show in Indy

Chris Meck · 06-26-2018, 11:06 AM

McNabb was a good QB, but I don't really consider him an elite "franchise" type QB. Perhaps we have different definitions.

RunKC · 06-26-2018, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

Chiefs fans after 2016:

”We’ll never win anything with Alex Smith!”

After Chiefs replace Alex with a potentially elite QB:

“We’ll never win anything with Andy Reid!”

We haven’t even begun the Mahomes era and you think we can’t win with a top 5 HC. Biggest group of pussies I’ve ever seen in my life.

I love how you keep mentioning McNabb like he wasn’t the biggest reason the Eagles lost that SB. Dude was ****ing scared and choked.

Yeah except this is patently false bullshit. This was 3 days after the Titans disaster and on page 3 btw.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...0&postcount=32

If Andy fails to make the playoffs or loses another playoff game next January like usual, then Clark needs to kick his fat ass to the curb.

IDGAF about your homer rainbow and fairies excuses bullshit. It’s as simple as it ever has been: WIN IN JANUARY OR GTFO!

NWTF · 06-26-2018, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

BB at least fielded some top defenses, those early BB era Pats teams won off defense.

Id say Tony Dungy is the luckiest coach of alltime. Hes a shit coach who benefitted from Manning running the show in Indy

Dungys up there for sure. Had Peyton in his prime, only needed to improve the Defense enough to be a real juggernaut team, but he never could. On paper it looked like the perfect fit. Best QB/offense in the league, now add the best defensive coach at the time (perceived anyway) to improve the D. He got the one SB over Rex Grossman but he left a lot on the table for having the Peyton machine in its prime.

He kind of got a pass with the Bucs sense it was always the O that was the problem, and that wasnt his area and thats fine. Then Gruden goes and makes the O just good enough to do it, and they say well Dungy really gets the credit. IDK, might be more valid if Dungy had actually won something with the Bucs prior to Gruden and then didnt underachieve with the Colts.

Dungys a good guy and all and was a good defensive coach, HOFer (lol), but way overrated IMO.

Kiimo · 06-26-2018, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Yeah except this is patently false bullshit. This was 3 days after the Titans disaster and on page 3 btw.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...0&postcount=32

If Andy fails to make the playoffs or loses another playoff game next January like usual, then Clark needs to kick his fat ass to the curb.

IDGAF about your homer rainbow and fairies excuses bullshit. It’s as simple as it ever has been: WIN IN JANUARY OR GTFO!

Careful what you wish for.

All we need is five years of Mahomes being wasted while some new guy comes in and fails. Reid is one of the best five coaches in the league and a lot more goes into winning than bringing a new guy in. Ask Cleveland, maybe just maybe they'd take Belichick back?

**Rausch** · 06-26-2018, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

If Andy fails to make the playoffs or loses another playoff game next January like usual, then Clark needs to kick his fat ass to the curb.

IDGAF about your homer rainbow and fairies excuses bullshit. It’s as simple as it ever has been: WIN IN JANUARY OR GTFO!

We finally have a young QBOTF and if we don't win a playoff game IMMEDIATELY we want to can the HC/OC after one year and let our QBOTF start all over again?

That should produce immediate results...

01-08-2018, 08:49 PM
oaklandhater future chiefs fans Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: oakland california Casino cash: $7448993	Andy Reid may not be right coach for Chiefs http://www.espn.com/blog/kansas-city...ach-for-chiefs KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Andy Reid was hailed as a hero shortly after joining the Kansas City Chiefs as head coach in 2013, and why not? Reid took a team that had been the worst in the league the year before, and not only won his first nine games but guided the Chiefs into the playoffs. Reid's star barely dimmed in Kansas City as he took the Chiefs to the playoffs in each of the past three seasons. He even won a playoff game two years ago, the Chiefs' first postseason victory in 22 years. The free pass for Reid should be over now. Reid guided Kansas City in Saturday's 22-21 playoff loss to the Tennessee Titans at Arrowhead Stadium. The Chiefs led by 18 points at halftime and collapsed after that. This makes Reid 1-4 with the Chiefs in the playoffs, and the latest defeat was not the first big blown lead of the bunch. The Chiefs had the Colts down 38-10 in the third quarter in the playoffs after the 2013 season and they lost that one, too. Reid's two blown leads of 18 points or more in the playoffs are as many as every other coach in the NFL since 1933. This latest loss stings more than the one against the Colts. That one was bad, but at least it happened on the road and in Reid's first season, with a team that was not yet complete in his image. This time the Chiefs wasted a big playoff lead at home. They did it with a team that was supposedly built not just to get into the playoffs but advance in them. Quarterback Alex Smith acknowledged afterward that the 2017 Chiefs underachieved, and it's hard to argue with him on that point. Beyond the blown leads, Reid is costing the Chiefs in the playoffs in other ways. His game management has been a problem at times in the postseason. The Chiefs were deliberate offensively despite being down by two touchdowns in the fourth quarter of a game in New England two years ago. They eventually scored a touchdown but took so much time in doing so they had no choice but to try an onside kick to keep the ball. With the Patriots aware it was coming, the tactic failed and the Chiefs lost. Trailing the Titans by a point with two minutes to go in the fourth quarter, the Chiefs tried to convert on fourth-and-9 from the Tennessee 44 with all three timeouts remaining. Smith's pass for Albert Wilson was incomplete and the Chiefs were doomed, never to get the ball back. It's important to remember here how bad the Chiefs were when Reid arrived. They were a forlorn franchise that won no more than four games in four of the six previous seasons. They were barely competitive in each of their two playoff games before his arrival. He was hired to provide some much-needed stability and Reid has accomplished that. The Chiefs have made the playoffs in four of his five seasons. They've won back-to-back division titles for the first time in franchise history. That counts for something. But its meaning loses impact when the Chiefs continually can't budge beyond their opening playoff game. They did that once, two years ago against a dismal opponent in the Houston Texans. Reid at this juncture looks like a coach who is good enough to get the Chiefs to the playoffs but not beyond. That's why they have to take a moment or two to ponder whether he's still the right guy for the job.
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