Chiefs Without Gun this is a 4-12 Team - Page 11

KCJohnny · 01-06-2007, 11:58 PM

Herm came in and achieved "balance". That's what you could say after having a D suck so bad the past 5 years that getting under 300 points (we didn't) would have been a monumental achievement. But in the name of "balance" we took the league's best offense and demoted it to a predictable, 1-dimensional cliche that dropped SIXTEEN places in ranking and performed worse than almost any offense in NFL playoff history (126 yards of total offense).

I think without Gun trying to make shinola out of $#!+ with Herm's insistance on Cover 2, this team is horrible. The Colts game shows that the testicles are on D, and that is NOT because Herm "changed the focus". If DV was here, we'd be 14-2 and laughing at the Colts because he kept Gun. That said, this team had better realize that flushing DV's O leaves not much in its place. Thank God for Gun, because without him and these over-acheivers, this team is a waste of talent. Hopefully Gun stays and keeps this team at least semi-competitive.

KCJohnny · 01-08-2007, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by CHIEF4EVER

Johnny, I have held my peace but now I am going to weigh in with my opinion.

1. I was on the "give Herm a chance" bandwagon because I thought that was the only way to be fair and it is. However, since he has been here Herm has neutered the Offense and made the D average vs. atrocious. Herm is the head coach. It is HIS responsibility and HIS ALONE to formulate the final game plan and give the instructions to his Coordinators to execute it. On the Offensive side of the ball he failed miserably. ESPECIALLY in the game on Saturday. Nobody on this planet can tell me he didn't know after the first series that running the ball up Wiegmanns ass was futile unless the pass opened up the run since Indy was keying on it (the run) so much (with 8 in the box nearly every play).

2. Gunther did a Journeymans job with the talent he has. No more, no less. I WILL say that he needs to improve drastically in his Second Half adjustments. Gunther didn't do the "Master's Job" of containing the Indy offense and saving us more embarrassment, Peyton Manning and Ty Law did. Mainly Peyton Manning. No QB in the friggin universe can throw 3 picks and still win a football game at this level unless the picks are squandered. They were and not just by the Offense. After TG's Touchdown, Gunther's "embarrassment saving" D managed to give up the ass and let Indy score 7.

Fair enough, I have no problem with that analysis. my thread topic does not suggest that Gun = Buddy ryan, but that without Gun, things are even worse now than they would be otherwise. JMO, nothing more.

I think its a fair analysis that Herm grounded the O and improved the D. That gets you 9-8.
I disagree that the d gave up the ___. They took the ball away 4x and got ZILCH for it. On the field 40 minutes against the [soon to be] most prolific passer in NFL history at HOME.

kcxiv · 01-08-2007, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CHIEF4EVER

2. Gunther did a Journeymans job with the talent he has. No more, no less. I WILL say that he needs to improve drastically in his Second Half adjustments. Gunther didn't do the "Master's Job" of containing the Indy offense and saving us more embarrassment, Peyton Manning and Ty Law did. Mainly Peyton Manning. No QB in the friggin universe can throw 3 picks and still win a football game at this level unless the picks are squandered. They were and not just by the Offense. After TG's Touchdown, Gunther's "embarrassment saving" D managed to give up the ass and let Indy score 7.

After TG's score and the Colts was on the Field, the D was done they were tired. THey were already passed 35 min on the field because of the horrible offensive performance we saw. Everyone on the Defense was done. They played great 3 quarters, but in the 4th is when you get tired. Thats when teams pull away, and thats what the colts did thanks to the offense. THe defense we played against Indy on sat was the PERFECT scheme and gameplan. Gun did not have to adjust the game plan it was great the whole game.

Gun did a incredible job against the Colts. To bad it was all wasted because of that Raiderlike performance on Offense.

CHIEF4EVER · 01-08-2007, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by kcxiv

After TG's score and the Colts was on the Field, the D was done they were tired. THey were already passed 35 min on the field because of the horrible offensive performance we saw. Everyone on the Defense was done. They played great 3 quarters, but in the 4th is when you get tired. Thats when teams pull away, and thats what the colts did thanks to the offense. THe defense we played against Indy on sat was the PERFECT scheme and gameplan. Gun did not have to adjust the game plan it was great the whole game.

Gun did a incredible job against the Colts. To bad it was all wasted because of that Raiderlike performance on Offense.

I won't deny that Gun did an OK job. But just OK. Ty Law and Peyton Manning kept us in the game. Ty Law by virtue of his 2 picks, Peyton Manning by throwing them. Neither had anything to do with Gun.

KCJohnny · 01-08-2007, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by CHIEF4EVER

I won't deny that Gun did an OK job. But just OK. Ty Law and Peyton Manning kept us in the game. Ty Law by virtue of his 2 picks, Peyton Manning by throwing them. Neither had anything to do with Gun.

If Law or Wesley miss tackles, its Gun's fault. If Our DBs make plays, its because they are good players. See how that works?

CHIEF4EVER · 01-08-2007, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny

If Law or Wesley miss tackles, its Gun's fault. If Our DBs make plays, its because they are good players. See how that works?

Don't compare apples to oranges. Ty Law caught the dumbass throws made by Peyton "Mamas Boy" Manning. It had nothing to do with Gunther's "Scheme".

Extra Point · 01-08-2007, 07:03 PM

Nobody broadcast that Colquitt got the game ball.

Hammock Parties · 09-01-2009, 07:13 PM

This one was worth a bump.

Coach · 09-01-2009, 07:19 PM

Man, talk about a big epic FAIL.

Deberg_1990 · 09-01-2009, 07:24 PM

HAHAH

Once again KCJohnny proves his keen football insight.

Hammock Parties · 09-01-2009, 07:27 PM

He's right, though.

Without Gun the 2008 Chiefs might have been 4-12 instead of 2-14.

Mecca · 09-01-2009, 07:29 PM

KCJ one of the last Gunther defenders.

**DeezNutz** · 09-01-2009, 07:30 PM

Gun's rhetoric fooled a lot of people...

Deberg_1990 · 09-01-2009, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

He's right, though.

Without Gun the 2008 Chiefs might have been 4-12 instead of 2-14.

Mecca · 09-01-2009, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Gun's rhetoric fooled a lot of people...

Do you think KCJ cut off his sleeves and grew a beard?

**DeezNutz** · 09-01-2009, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Do you think KCJ cut off his sleeves and grew a beard?

He doesn't need a stage for what he's about to do.

01-06-2007, 11:58 PM
KCJohnny Blind, deceived homer Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Maryland, USA Casino cash: $10004900	Without Gun this is a 4-12 Team Herm came in and achieved "balance". That's what you could say after having a D suck so bad the past 5 years that getting under 300 points (we didn't) would have been a monumental achievement. But in the name of "balance" we took the league's best offense and demoted it to a predictable, 1-dimensional cliche that dropped SIXTEEN places in ranking and performed worse than almost any offense in NFL playoff history (126 yards of total offense). I think without Gun trying to make shinola out of $#!+ with Herm's insistance on Cover 2, this team is horrible. The Colts game shows that the testicles are on D, and that is NOT because Herm "changed the focus". If DV was here, we'd be 14-2 and laughing at the Colts because he kept Gun. That said, this team had better realize that flushing DV's O leaves not much in its place. Thank God for Gun, because without him and these over-acheivers, this team is a waste of talent. Hopefully Gun stays and keeps this team at least semi-competitive.
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