KU MU T-Shirt war

[irishjayhawk]

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You know what the best part of Kansas and Missouri having their best ever seasons at the very same time is? The entire nation will get exposed to what is possibly the most bitter and hateful rivalry in the country in all it's glory (or shame, if you prefer). You can have your Ohio State v. Michigan or Alabama v. Auburn, but the last time I checked nobody from Columbus ever went to Ann Arbor and systematically executed every man they could find while burning the town to the ground. And certainly nobody made t-shirts later celebrating that fact.

But that did happen in 1863 in Lawrence, KS when William Quantrill led his band of "Bushwackers" to the "Jayhawker" stronghold and went on a 4 hour rampage that would become known as the "Lawrence Massacre" - one of the ugliest episodes of the brutal 10+ years of fighting along the Kansas and Missouri border. While the Civil War has become the South v. the North in most people's minds, the fighting in fact began as a violent guerrilla conflict between the abolitionists in Kansas and the slave holding Missouri settlers (more or less, like many guerrilla campaigns there were quite blurred lines at times). In many ways, those old wounds have never quite healed - Grandpa Simpson will be be deep in the cold, cold ground before he recognizes Missour-ah as a state, for example.

Those t-shirts seen above that some Missouri fans are making for the showdown at Arrowhead in two weeks are celebrating the Lawrence Massacre and in fact have Quantrill's visage and slogan emblazoned on the back - "Raise the Black Flag and Ride Hard Boys. Our Cause is Just and Our Enemies Many". Talk about going straight past normal levels of fan behavior and making a hard right turn into loony land, that might be the single most offensive gameday t-shirt I've ever seen. Kansas fans are now responding with t-shirts sporting noted violent Kansas abolitionist John Brown (who led a massacre of his own and the 1859 Harper's Ferry raid that really kicked off the Civil War powder keg) with the slogan "Keeping America Safe From Missouri Since 1854" - a mock-up of those t-shirts can be seen here.

This game is going to be played on a neutral site at Arrowhead Stadium in Kansas City - home to huge parking lots for tailgating and beer sales in the stadium during the game. It's going to be for a berth in the Big XII Championship Game at the very least, and a shot at the National Championship at the most. Liquored up fans sharing the same parking lots and stadium, some who are celebrating their history of brutal violence against each other? Two fanbases who hate each other, with the chance to not only continue their own dream season but also to end the chance of glory for their rivals? Yeah, no way that doesn't end up without at least a few folks in the slammer. It's going to be a fun Saturday for the KCPD and Jackson County Sheriffs.

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/...to-the-ground/

[crazycoffey]

You mean I shouldn't kill everyone wearing KU fanfare?


awwww, man.....

[crazycoffey]

I remember having one from the Big 8, it had the tiger wearing a big 8 crown standing behind the jayhawk bent over and looking all F***ed in the arse and stuff.

[|Zach|]

Some KU awesomeness...

Ok, lets say the absolute best case scenario happens and the next 4 years we got to lets say 3 BCS Game, including the NC Game this season(and win). Do we build a new state of the art 80k stadium right where memorial is? We have second oldest stadium in the nation and ours only seats 50k right now. I know Lew could raise the money. What do you guys think? Maybe we could incorporate the hill into one side of our stadium and make it badass, ala mu's stadium. I just think there are a lot of ways with that land where we could build a badass stadium and keep our fb program in the top 10 for years to come.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?S=172#s...&t=1418631&p=1

[Mr. Plow]

n00b's are funny too.

[Bob Dole]

Originally Posted by 64 Chief

Back in the 60's as a UCLA student there was a similar incident among UCLA/USC supporters. There were "FUCLA" shirts and also shirts denigrating USC (can't remember the exact slur). It turns out both shirts were made and sold by a guy from Kansas City (can't remember which side of state line he was from). True story-capitalism at work. He wasn't a student of either school-just trying to make a buck. One of the school papers had an article on it. Anyway it is just good that MU/KU fans have something to get excited about-it has been a while.

That's the little-known Walt Disney story.

[pikesome]

Originally Posted by |Zach|

Some KU awesomeness...



http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?S=172#s...&t=1418631&p=1

Now this is some "cart before the horse". I do like KU's chances to do well next year, younger talent and all, but this goes way too far in the speculation. Can we finish this season before we start to plan the domination of NCAA football for years to come?

[beer bacon]

Originally Posted by pikesome

Now this is some "cart before the horse". I do like KU's chances to do well next year, younger talent and all, but this goes way too far in the speculation. Can we finish this season before we start to plan the domination of NCAA football for years to come?

KU fans are really quite foolish. It is obviously MU that is going to be going to three BCS bowls and a NC in the near future. The homerism of these KU fans is astounding!

[Archie Bunker]

Originally Posted by Bob Dole

After careful consideration, Bob Dole is going to have to say that this whole t-shirt thing is all in very poor taste.

Anybody know where a guy could buy one of the Mizzou versions online?

http://www.cafepress.com/mcmuffin34

[pikesome]

Originally Posted by beer bacon

KU fans are really quite foolish. It is obviously MU that is going to be going to three BCS bowls and a NC in the near future. The homerism of these KU fans is astounding!

I think both teams are going to have to work real hard to attain the same level of success next year they are experiencing this year. Parity does seem to be creeping in to CF, while that makes it easier for teams to move up it also makes it harder to stay up, there's going to be other teams in the same situation trying their damnest too. Maybe it'll happen, the day when Big 12 talk begins and ends with KU, MU, OU, and Texas will be a great day but...

[burt]

Comparing Missouri residents to Kansas residents is like comparing Wallmart clothing to the 1/2 price store...."IT'S THE SAME THING". While you may support different university athletic programs, both support groups are filled with essentually the same caliber of people. Neither has had a GREAT football team in years, and resorting to calling each other knuckle draggers and inbreeders is assinine. I have seen great things come out of both universities, and enjoy the success of both as it brings attention to the area. Last year I was VERY impressed with MU wrestling...now both programs are in the national spotlight for football....Kudos to both. Resorting to dredging up the darkest hour of both states is sad.

Now it has been said several times the "Jayhawk" is offensive, but it was also pointed out that that name had been used BEFORE the civil war, thereby negating the mascot anger. If we want to be that inane, lets say the MU mascot is bad because of the Siegfried and Roy attack. Tigers kill people, how, oh how can MU use such a violent mascot? Get real.

With that said, how can a person with several degrees be so dumb as to type this?

Originally Posted by OmahaChief

Hears to KU winning again this weekend and then getting exposed for the frauds you are at Arrowhead.

[tyton75]

Actually... the Missouri Tigers are named after the Bushwhackers in a manner of speaking... there was a famous civil war poem that related the Bushwhackers to something like "Tigers in the underbrush"... I believe thats where the school got their name from

At least that is what I learned in a history class while going there.

as for the t-shirt.. its tasteless and classless and I can't stop laughing about it

[kepp]

Originally Posted by |Zach|

Some KU awesomeness...



http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?S=172#s...&t=1418631&p=1

"SaaaaaWeeet! It could have one of dem rolling roofs!"

[KC Kings]

Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

Making the assumption that KU does lose to MU.......since when is #4 losing to #5 being "exposed".

First, I think you would have to expect KU fans to be a lot more optimistic or "homers". The KU football fanbase has expended greatly in the last 3 years, so a majority of the football fans are relatively new. I'm not suggesting that Mizzou doesn't have any fans on the bandwagon, but I think a majority of the fans have been fans for a while and are so used to upset and disappointment that we can't be as optomistic.

As far as being "exposed", look at the KU season so far.
Central Michagan, SE Louisiana, Toledo and Florida International. As it stands, the KUpcake arguement is out, because an average score of 53.5 to 5.75 is devastating, no matter the quality of the team.
The next games:
Beat K State, 3-4 in the Big 12 and struggling, by 14 points.
Whipped Baylor 58-10, but Baylor is 0-7 in the big 12 and clearly not a good team.
Beat Colorado, 3-4 in the Big 12 and about the same quality as K-State by 19-14, and didn't score any half time points against them.
Beat Texas A&M, who is also on the same level as CU and K-State, 19-11.
Whipped a struggling Nebraska 76-39.
Beat OK State at Stillwater 43-28.

At this point, a win is a win, a huge blow out cupcake or not, winning your first 4 games by an average of 47 points a game is phenominal. KU deserves to be ranked where they are. However, the toughest team they have faced to this point is Colorado, who they barely beat and had no points against in the first half.
Foxsports has the KU opponents ranked as
40. Colorado
44. Texas A&M
45. OK State
69. K-State
77. Central Michigan
82. Baylor
94. Toledo
119. Florida International
Not in top 119: SE Louisiana

If KU beats MU, a win is a win and KU stays at the top. If KU loses to MU, they are now a 1 loss team with a fairly weak schedule that hasn't beat a team in the top 39. So IF they lose, how far do they drop? The other 1 loss teams would be Oklahoma, West Virginia, Ohio State and Arizona State. With strength of schedule would you rank KU above any of these teams? I think that IF KU loses, they definately drop out if the top 10, and possibly drop as many as 10 spots on the ranking. Is that considered "exposed"? To me, yes but I guess that depends on your definition. The exposure won't only be because of the drop in the rankings but with no more games to play if they did drop that much it will really affect the quality of bowl game they would get.

[kepp]

Originally Posted by T.B.A.

Comparing Missouri residents to Kansas residents is like comparing Wallmart clothing to the 1/2 price store...."IT'S THE SAME THING". While you may support different university athletic programs, both support groups are filled with essentually the same caliber of people. Neither has had a GREAT football team in years, and resorting to calling each other knuckle draggers and inbreeders is assinine. I have seen great things come out of both universities, and enjoy the success of both as it brings attention to the area. Last year I was VERY impressed with MU wrestling...now both programs are in the national spotlight for football....Kudos to both. Resorting to dredging up the darkest hour of both states is sad.

Now it has been said several times the "Jayhawk" is offensive, but it was also pointed out that that name had been used BEFORE the civil war, thereby negating the mascot anger. If we want to be that inane, lets say the MU mascot is bad because of the Siegfried and Roy attack. Tigers kill people, how, oh how can MU use such a violent mascot? Get real.

With that said, how can a person with several degrees be so dumb as to type this?

[burt]