WHITLOCK - IT’S TIME TO LOSE FOR THE FUTURE - Page 11

Hammock Parties · 12-09-2007, 11:14 PM

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DENVER | You hope this wasn’t rock bottom.

Seriously, you hope King Carl, Herm Edwards and the Chiefs have the decency and smarts to save their worst for last, for season-ending road trips to Detroit and New York.

This season can only end on a positive note if the Chiefs get a top-five draft pick out of it and a chance to nab tackle Jake Long or quarterbacks Matt Ryan and Brian Brohm.

Sunday’s 41-7 loss to the Denver Broncos could be problematic. It was the kind of embarrassing, gutless performance that motivates players and coaches to finish the season with pride.

Edwards was angry Sunday. Irritated by the performance of his defense, Herm sounded feisty and prideful in his postgame comments. At one point, he nearly broke into his “you play to win the game” mantra.

No. You play to win the Super Bowl. And when that’s not a legitimate goal, you play to make the playoffs. Once the playoffs are eliminated — as they were on Sunday for the Chiefs — you play to develop your players for next season.

That’s where the Chiefs are now — except they have a special circumstance. They can’t develop Brodie Croyle, Kolby Smith or Dwayne Bowe because KC’s offensive line is so bad that it’s impossible to do anything worthwhile on offense.

When that’s the case, you play for draft position, and you hope the Chiefs can sink deeper than they did on Sunday inside Invesco Field at Mile High.

In losing their sixth straight, the Chiefs rushed for 16 yards in 17 carries, surrendered five sacks, punted eight times, allowed Denver 215 rushing yards and never touched Bronco quarterback Jay Cutler, who finished 20 of 27 passing for 244 yards and four touchdowns.

The Preacher will be preaching this week. He’s embarrassed. If he’s going to lose a game, he’d prefer to lose in the fourth quarter after making everyone suffer through two hours of field-position football.

Denver ran away with this thing, jumping to a two-TD lead in the first quarter and cruising to a 24-7 halftime advantage.

“Our strength is our defense, and we can’t give up 14 points to start out the game and expect to win,” Edwards complained.

Right now there are five teams with worse records than the Chiefs — Miami, 0-13, St. Louis, 3-10, San Francisco, 3-10, the Jets, 3-10 and Atlanta, 3-9. Oakland and Baltimore have the same 4-9 record as the Chiefs.

If the Chiefs take care of business, lose to Tennessee and Detroit, they could head to New York and take on the Jets for the right to draft as high as No. 4.

The key to losing out is packing it in mentally. Sunday’s effort is just the kind of thing that could cause players to refocus.

“It’s not good. We didn’t play well today. It seems like guys didn’t show up today,” Tony Gonzalez grumbled. “Maybe people were already in offseason mode. Maybe they’re already back to their families, going back to Miami or wherever you go during the offseason. It’s sad. It’s frustrating. We’ve got three games left... Let’s go play hard. Let’s try to win. I don’t care about the playoffs.”

I disagree. I loved every pass Dwayne Bowe and Kris Wilson dropped. It was great seeing Ty Law and Patrick Surtain get lit up like Christmas trees. Jared Allen has done more than enough this season to earn a major contract upgrade. He deserved the break he took on Sunday. There’s no reason to waste a sack on the Broncos. And why not let a no-name back jam it right down your throat repeatedly?

You just hope they can do it three more times. We know bad offensive-line play is a given. On one of Croyle’s five sacks, every lineman except Brian Waters got beat.

Honestly, I’m thinking about deducting points from my season-ending Chiefs grades from any player who tries to play hero down the stretch, especially if it’s a veteran player. If Bobby Sippio makes a big play, I’m cool with it. But there’s no reason for an established veteran to do anything beyond go through the motions at this point.

Chiefs fans should do their part by skipping the Tennessee game. We all have a role to play in getting this team to 4-12.

**The Bad Guy** · 12-10-2007, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88

What Herm Edwards has done to this franchise is very sad

What Carl Peterson has done to this franchise is very sad.

This offensive line is a product of what he did. He had veterans across the line, and instead of finding suitable replacements, he went out and remained status quo.

Watching Welbourne and Terry out there makes me violently ill.

thehead · 12-10-2007, 06:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

What Carl Peterson has done to this franchise is very sad.

This offensive line is a product of what he did. He had veterans across the line, and instead of finding suitable replacements, he went out and remained status quo.

Watching Welbourne and Terry out there makes me violently ill.

This has kinda been CP's MO every two years status quo then go sign some FA then that damn Karma thing gets in the way

Braincase · 12-10-2007, 06:44 AM

We're eityher three drafts or two drafts and two very productive off-seasons away from doing anything. It's hard to rebuild an O-line through free a

Braincase · 12-10-2007, 06:45 AM

We're eityher three drafts or two drafts and two very productive off-seasons away from doing anything. It's hard to rebuild an O-line through free available. If they're any good at all, they're going to get resigned. We got lucky picking up Roaf (thanks Joe!) and Wiegmann.

Hey, any chance we can figure out who the best tackle is in the league, and send Samie Parker there to do his wife?

**petegz28** · 12-10-2007, 07:06 AM

Carl will trade down if we ge ta high pick so what does it matter?

TEX · 12-10-2007, 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

What Carl Peterson has done to this franchise is very sad.

This offensive line is a product of what he did. He had veterans across the line, and instead of finding suitable replacements, he went out and remained status quo.

Watching Welbourne and Terry out there makes me violently ill.

Right - and I suppose Herm just sat there with his thumb up his ass while all this was going on. He went to TWO camps with this TURD O-LINE. He knew what we had or didn't have. He was okay with it all. It's time he's held accountable for some issues as well because he's been here long enough.

CupidStunt · 12-10-2007, 08:11 AM

So much debate over Laurinaitis but why? He's a decent prospect and Nap Harris stinks but the Chiefs won't be touching him with a top-five pick.

It should be very, very, very clear to anyone who's watched this team this season: BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE.

I personally believe in building in the trenches and having an elite QB. My vote would be to the Chiefs' top-rated available player out of Dorsey, Ellis, Brohm, Woodson, Gholston, Long and Oher.

Leave LBs, WRs and DBs until the second round and beyond.

**morphius** · 12-10-2007, 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

What Carl Peterson has done to this franchise is very sad.

This offensive line is a product of what he did. He had veterans across the line, and instead of finding suitable replacements, he went out and remained status quo.

Watching Welbourne and Terry out there makes me violently ill.

Just a question, were you violently ill watching Roaf out there as well?

**morphius** · 12-10-2007, 08:49 AM

I take Whitlocks words to mean something simple, "I want the Chiefs to lose so that Carl gets fired". That is all I see when I read his Chiefs articles, and this is another one of those. Not that Carly shouldn't be fired, but damn, he should just come out and say it.

Extra Point · 12-10-2007, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Dan Salaumeua & Joe Phillips was the main reason our defense kicked ass in the 90's. The 97 team did as well bc Dan Williams dominated for the contract that he wanted.

Great point! Shows us that the 4-3 Cover 2 doesn't work on every down. IF we stick with that formation, Harris needs some competition at MLB. Putting Tank Tyler in the middle at NT on first down, and sometimes second down, may work.

**The Bad Guy** · 12-10-2007, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by TEX

Right - and I suppose Herm just sat there with his thumb up his ass while all this was going on. He went to TWO camps with this TURD O-LINE. He knew what we had or didn't have. He was okay with it all. It's time he's held accountable for some issues as well because he's been here long enough.

The plans for the Oline should have been in place BEFORE Herm got here.

Instead, Carl Peterson ignored the fact of grooming someone to take over for Roaf. He put a non-juiced RG to replace Shields and it's become a joke.

2 years is long enough?

How in the hell could 2 years be long enough for anyone to dig out of the hole that Peterson has been working on since he fired Marty?

I hate Herm too, but c'mon already.

The problems begin and end with Carl Peterson.

Once he is gone, his good ole' boy network goes with him.

**The Bad Guy** · 12-10-2007, 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by morphius

Just a question, were you violently ill watching Roaf out there as well?

Never.

Watching Roaf was a thing of beauty.

TEX · 12-10-2007, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

The plans for the Oline should have been in place BEFORE Herm got here.

Instead, Carl Peterson ignored the fact of grooming someone to take over for Roaf. He put a non-juiced RG to replace Shields and it's become a joke.

2 years is long enough?

How in the hell could 2 years be long enough for anyone to dig out of the hole that Peterson has been working on since he fired Marty?

I hate Herm too, but c'mon already.

The problems begin and end with Carl Peterson.

Once he is gone, his good ole' boy network goes with him.

I understand your point and agree. All I'm sayingis that Herm played a roll in it as well. He knew what we had on the OL and was okay with it. The problem does in fact begin with Carl, but it only ends if BOTH he and Herm leave.

duncan_idaho · 12-10-2007, 09:38 AM

If the Chiefs get into position to get Long in the first and Oher in the second, I would do backflips.

They'd be set at the bookends for the next decade.

Oh, and Carl and Herm must go. They would make me do backflips with a half twist.

58-4ever · 12-10-2007, 09:59 AM

Over these next few games, we will really find out whether or not Brodie can get the job done. If not, there is more than one QB prospect this year in the first round that will be around later than our pick. (think of the Roethlisberger year)

If so, we should definitely go with Long or another sure fire pick at tackle as early as possible. Although, the Chargers got a pretty good tackle in the middle of the first last draft too.

Who am I kidding? We need a new person making the picks. That's our real need.

12-09-2007, 11:14 PM
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $4150478	WHITLOCK - IT’S TIME TO LOSE FOR THE FUTURE http://www.kansascity.com/sports/col...ry/397009.html DENVER \| You hope this wasn’t rock bottom. Seriously, you hope King Carl, Herm Edwards and the Chiefs have the decency and smarts to save their worst for last, for season-ending road trips to Detroit and New York. This season can only end on a positive note if the Chiefs get a top-five draft pick out of it and a chance to nab tackle Jake Long or quarterbacks Matt Ryan and Brian Brohm. Sunday’s 41-7 loss to the Denver Broncos could be problematic. It was the kind of embarrassing, gutless performance that motivates players and coaches to finish the season with pride. Edwards was angry Sunday. Irritated by the performance of his defense, Herm sounded feisty and prideful in his postgame comments. At one point, he nearly broke into his “you play to win the game” mantra. No. You play to win the Super Bowl. And when that’s not a legitimate goal, you play to make the playoffs. Once the playoffs are eliminated — as they were on Sunday for the Chiefs — you play to develop your players for next season. That’s where the Chiefs are now — except they have a special circumstance. They can’t develop Brodie Croyle, Kolby Smith or Dwayne Bowe because KC’s offensive line is so bad that it’s impossible to do anything worthwhile on offense. When that’s the case, you play for draft position, and you hope the Chiefs can sink deeper than they did on Sunday inside Invesco Field at Mile High. In losing their sixth straight, the Chiefs rushed for 16 yards in 17 carries, surrendered five sacks, punted eight times, allowed Denver 215 rushing yards and never touched Bronco quarterback Jay Cutler, who finished 20 of 27 passing for 244 yards and four touchdowns. The Preacher will be preaching this week. He’s embarrassed. If he’s going to lose a game, he’d prefer to lose in the fourth quarter after making everyone suffer through two hours of field-position football. Denver ran away with this thing, jumping to a two-TD lead in the first quarter and cruising to a 24-7 halftime advantage. “Our strength is our defense, and we can’t give up 14 points to start out the game and expect to win,” Edwards complained. Right now there are five teams with worse records than the Chiefs — Miami, 0-13, St. Louis, 3-10, San Francisco, 3-10, the Jets, 3-10 and Atlanta, 3-9. Oakland and Baltimore have the same 4-9 record as the Chiefs. If the Chiefs take care of business, lose to Tennessee and Detroit, they could head to New York and take on the Jets for the right to draft as high as No. 4. The key to losing out is packing it in mentally. Sunday’s effort is just the kind of thing that could cause players to refocus. “It’s not good. We didn’t play well today. It seems like guys didn’t show up today,” Tony Gonzalez grumbled. “Maybe people were already in offseason mode. Maybe they’re already back to their families, going back to Miami or wherever you go during the offseason. It’s sad. It’s frustrating. We’ve got three games left... Let’s go play hard. Let’s try to win. I don’t care about the playoffs.” I disagree. I loved every pass Dwayne Bowe and Kris Wilson dropped. It was great seeing Ty Law and Patrick Surtain get lit up like Christmas trees. Jared Allen has done more than enough this season to earn a major contract upgrade. He deserved the break he took on Sunday. There’s no reason to waste a sack on the Broncos. And why not let a no-name back jam it right down your throat repeatedly? You just hope they can do it three more times. We know bad offensive-line play is a given. On one of Croyle’s five sacks, every lineman except Brian Waters got beat. Honestly, I’m thinking about deducting points from my season-ending Chiefs grades from any player who tries to play hero down the stretch, especially if it’s a veteran player. If Bobby Sippio makes a big play, I’m cool with it. But there’s no reason for an established veteran to do anything beyond go through the motions at this point. Chiefs fans should do their part by skipping the Tennessee game. We all have a role to play in getting this team to 4-12.
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