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Old 12-17-2007, 11:14 AM  
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Explain to me why we need to give Herm more time
After seeing my worst fears come true in Herm with the Jetsification of the Chiefs (a top 5 draft pick) and the destruction of a team. I wonder in this microwave world of instant gratification how is it we cling to the notion 2 years doesn't set a trend especially giving his previous body of work. So I thought well surely 2 years must be handed out like candy in the past to any head coach and then it occurred to me to check the Chiefs history to confirm this.

Chiefs Head Coaches with shortest tenures:

Tom Bettis - 1977
Frank Gansz - 1987-1988
Gunther Cunningham - 1999-2000
Paul Wiggin - 1975-1977
John Mackovic - 1983-1986

Thats half of the Chiefs Head Coaches in the history of this team. 3 of them are 2 years or less. So in the present world why not cut ties with Herm. Actually excluding Herm 33% of Chiefs coaches have had a tenure of 2 years or less. And yes I know Bettis is a bad choice. Still 2 years of Herm like performance has cost coaches their jobs in the past.

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Old 12-18-2007, 05:49 PM   #151
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HE takes it to a new level though. Actually I think that Dane may actually be Herm.

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Old 12-18-2007, 05:49 PM   #152
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All I ever have to point out is that Mecca thought Kawika Mitchell was going to get 30 million dollars. I don't know if that is "taking it to the next level" or not, but it SURE IS ****ING FUNNY.
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Old 12-18-2007, 05:50 PM   #153
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HE takes it to a new level though. Actually I think that Dane may actually be Herm.

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Yeah, I'm Herm.

Because YOU have no idea WTF you're talking about in regards to the Redskins talent level, I must be a shill for the Chiefs organization.

I thought you were smarter than that.

I may have been mistaken.
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Old 12-18-2007, 05:51 PM   #154
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Shills for a organization that hasn't won a playoff game in nearly 20 years contribute to a greater problem.
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Old 12-18-2007, 05:52 PM   #155
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HE takes it to a new level though. Actually I think that Dane may actually be Herm.

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Dave, Dane is right. Saunders has a solid level of talent in Washington. The Redskins should be ranked better than 21st in scoring offense.

Saunders = overrated
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Old 12-18-2007, 05:54 PM   #156
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All I ever have to point out is that Mecca thought Kawika Mitchell was going to get 30 million dollars. I don't know if that is "taking it to the next level" or not, but it SURE IS ****ING FUNNY.
Hey you're right I was wrong on that, something tells me he thought he was going to get that seeing as what the Chiefs signed Harris for.

Of course though I'm always wrong and never right to people here. Doesn't matter what the truth may be.
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Old 12-18-2007, 06:00 PM   #157
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Dave, Dane is right. Saunders has a solid level of talent in Washington. The Redskins should be ranked better than 21st in scoring offense.

Saunders = overrated

I could make all the excuses Dane makes for Herm for Saunders. Its not his style playersm he does have the players or coaches he wants, he needs more time. Cut him, cut Herm I'm fine with it. And Portis and all the other also rans at DC are not nearly the players you make them out to be. Like Brunell he is a shell of his former self even last year.

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I could make all the excuses Dane makes for Herm for Saunders. Its not his style playersm he does have the players or coaches he wants, he needs more time. e
Except that Saunders SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED those players.

You don't have a leg to stand on. Saunders has proven beyond a shadow of doubt he's no better than Gunther as far as coordinators go. He's only as good as the talent he has to work with - and perhaps not even that good.

Saunders should give half of his salary with the Redskins to Willie Roaf.
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Dave, Dane is right. Saunders has a solid level of talent in Washington. The Redskins should be ranked better than 21st in scoring offense.

Saunders = overrated
They actually have looked pretty damn good on offense since their QB of the future went down. I have watched their last two games in complete envy. Todd Collins has looked great and under control in that offense. The Chiefs let the wrong back up go, and I thought so at the time.
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The people who hate Saunders enough to still rip him now are just as bad as everyone who rips/defends Herm constantly...

Saunders ain't even here anymore, our team sucks ass, who the **** cares about Al Saunders?
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Old 12-18-2007, 06:11 PM   #161
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Twenty-one Patriots players have scored touchdowns this season. Three teams -- Kansas City, San Francisco and Atlanta -- do not have 21 total touchdowns.
Does Randy Moss still have more TD's than our entire team..
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I have watched their last two games in complete envy. Todd Collins has looked great and under control in that offense.


Todd Collins was awesome in his last start. What'd he complete, 8 passes?
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Does Randy Moss still have more TD's than our entire team..
Yep. Randy Moss has 19 TD's.
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I could make all the excuses Dane makes for Herm for Saunders. Its not his style playersm he does have the players or coaches he wants, he needs more time. Cut him, cut Herm I'm fine with it. And Portis and all the other also rans at DC are not nearly the players you make them out to be. Like Brunell he is a shell of his former self even last year.

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No, you couldn't.

Washington is CLEARLY more talented on offense than the Chiefs. Yet, Saunders hasn't been able to make them an elite unit. Your assertion is that with the Chiefs CURRENT roster, they'd still be a Top 5 unit.

How is that possible?

Brunell may be a shell, but he was certainly better than Green or Huard last year and is better than Huard this year.

Your argument holds no weight.
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