Science is so racist

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http://blogs.chron.com/sciguy/archiv...ck_hole_a.html

A special meeting about Dallas County traffic tickets turned tense and bizarre this afternoon.

County commissioners were discussing problems with the central collections office that is used to process traffic ticket payments and handle other paperwork normally done by the JP Courts.

Commissioner Kenneth Mayfield, who is white, said it seemed that central collections "has become a black hole" because paperwork reportedly has become lost in the office.

Commissioner John Wiley Price, who is black, interrupted him with a loud "Excuse me!" He then corrected his colleague, saying the office has become a "white hole."

That prompted Judge Thomas Jones, who is black, to demand an apology from Mayfield for his racially insensitive analogy.

Mayfield shot back that it was a figure of speech and a science term.

[Silock]

Originally Posted by vailpass

You say true. Too damn bad, strong PAs in the public sector appear on the way to becoming a rarity.
Still, who can blame you? Keep your head down and finish if you can, go all the way through the MBA without taking a year off.

There is some indication that the gov't is becoming more lenient with its pay grades to stay somewhat competitive, so who knows . . . I might do that. It really depends on how my wife's therapy practice is going as to what sector I stay in. I'm definitely not taking any more time off. I'm already 27 and took too much time off to begin with. I just hope I'm out of school by the time I'm 30, but it's not looking too likely at the moment

Thanks again

[wutamess]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

That's a very difficult question for me to answer because I'm not part of that network (and I'd never want to be - I don't care for that segment of our society).

But I think we can all agree that with each passing year, the barriers are being broken down a little further. As more and more minorities are attending college, there's more interaction and fraternizing of the people of different races, which in turn leads to more opportunities for everyone. As well as the breaking down of previous stereotypes.

Very true... until the playing fields are more level to where we don't need AA then I'm all for AA. (eating lunch from home)

[markk]

Originally Posted by wutamess

K... I'll give it a shot.
Just curious... do you have an opinion in any of this?

I think people are inclined to be racists if they are unsuccessful and haven't put a lot of effort into trying to be. That goes equally for the high school dropouts in the inner city and in the trailer park too. It's a lot easier to blame other people than to examine ourselves. That's just how the human mind works.

You can succeed in the world if you want to. Yeah, some people face barriers that aren't fair. Some people don't have two feet and some people are blind, some people just aren't that smart. Some people don't have athlete's bodies and some people aren't good at math. For some people it's really difficult to learn a foreign language and some people have bad backs and can't do heavy lifting. Some people aren't mechanically inclined and some people aren't computer inclined.

Some poeple aren't perfect at everything. It's madness for us to claim that everyone is equal. Everyone has disadvantages unique to themselves. Some have more disadvantages than others. One of my best friends has been without sight since the age of 1. He could be disabled but instead he's gone through college and is out making a salary I wish I made.

The world will always be that way. You can complain about your circumstances, fair or unfair, or you can change them.

[wutamess]

Originally Posted by Donger

But, the kid in this example didn't KNOW that he had to do that, right? He assumed that the white guy interviewing him expected him to doubly impressive because he's black?

Yes Donger... he KNEW he had to do that in order to get the job.
(not saying MarKK) But if the black guy came in with the same clothes the W guys would've the hiring manager would just go with hiring by association.

It's wrong but it's understandable and the way of the world.

[RNR]

Originally Posted by markk

I think people are inclined to be racists if they are unsuccessful and haven't put a lot of effort into trying to be. That goes equally for the high school dropouts in the inner city and in the trailer park too. It's a lot easier to blame other people than to examine ourselves. That's just how the human mind works.

You can succeed in the world if you want to. Yeah, some people face barriers that aren't fair. Some people don't have two feet and some people are blind, some people just aren't that smart. Some people don't have athlete's bodies and some people aren't good at math. For some people it's really difficult to learn a foreign language and some people have bad backs and can't do heavy lifting. Some people aren't mechanically inclined and some people aren't computer inclined.

Some poeple aren't perfect at everything. It's madness for us to claim that everyone is equal. Everyone has disadvantages unique to themselves. Some have more disadvantages than others. One of my best friends has been without sight since the age of 1. He could be disabled but instead he's gone through college and is out making a salary I wish I made.

The world will always be that way. You can complain about your circumstances, fair or unfair, or you can change them.

I can not rep you again or I would.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by wutamess

No... we're saying that they're more apt to hire within their own (which is somewhat human nature). I'd be more likely to hire someone that looks like me. For all of you saying you'd have no bias I tip my hat to you.

It's not that I'm racist... it's that the cultural boundaries aren't there. It makes sense (racist or not) which is why AA would curtail it.

I can tell you with complete honesty that I've never hired on the basis of skin color.

I directly hired two African-American females, two Hispanics (man & woman), one white Jewish male, two Whites (male & female) and two Asian females during a 5-year stint and was involved in the hiring of many more non-whites via committee.

My criteria for hiring:

1. Is this person going to stay in the position for more than a year and is it worth my while to train them? Or is this job just a springboard?
2. Can this person handle the job (i.e. intelligence and aptitude)
3. Can this person handle stress?
4. Does this person have a passion for the job or is it just a "job"?


Once those things have been determined, I hire who will best fill the position, regardless of ethnicity.

[wutamess]

Originally Posted by markk

The world will always be that way. You can complain about your circumstances, fair or unfair, or you can change them.

I agree but I'm not complaining. I've always said that personal responsibility is the most important thing for ANY human being. Minorities shouldn't depend on AA for a handout, but it's our responsibility to educate ourselves in order to even be considered for employment.

~ Not a fan of the handout. Just AA until the playing field is more level.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by wutamess

Yes Donger... he KNEW he had to do that in order to get the job.
(not saying MarKK) But if the black guy came in with the same clothes the W guys would've the hiring manager would just go with hiring by association.

It's wrong but it's understandable and the way of the world.

I really hope that I never have to interview with a black guy. I'd have no fucking clue what to do.

Anyway, I appreciate your efforts. Thanks.

[wutamess]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I can tell you with complete honesty that I've never hired on the basis of skin color.

I directly hired two African-American females, two Hispanics (man & woman), one white Jewish male, two Whites (male & female) and two Asian females during a 5-year stint and was involved in the hiring of many more non-whites via committee.

My criteria for hiring:

1. Is this person going to stay in the position for more than a year and is it worth my while to train them? Or is this job just a springboard?
2. Can this person handle the job (i.e. intelligence and aptitude)
3. Can this person handle stress?
4. Does this person have a passion for the job or is it just a "job"?


Once those things have been determined, I hire who will best fill the position, regardless of ethnicity.

Well Dane... AA isn't intended for you... It's the other 95% of possible (racist) employers.

[wutamess]

Originally Posted by Donger

I really hope that I never have to interview with a black guy. I'd have no fucking clue what to do.

Anyway, I appreciate your efforts. Thanks.

See that's why we have to "impress". We're no different than a white guy. Why would you interview any different?

Actually I have a small story...
I was interviewing for a Tech Support position for a school in Noblesville Indiana... One of the first things out of the hiring guys mouth was, "You do know that we have no black students... How do you feel about that?" Probably no blacks in the county.

I didn't get the job and I'm sure it was because of that. Did I have a suit? Probably so. But I really don't care so to hell with it.

Just to show you that AA is needed.

[RNR]

Originally Posted by Donger

I really hope that I never have to interview with a black guy. I'd have no fucking clue what to do.

Anyway, I appreciate your efforts. Thanks.

Start off buy saying you are sorry for being white. Then hire him rather he desesves the job or not. Go home feeling good because you struck a blow against racism.

[Pablo]

RACE WAR!!!!

[Donger]

Originally Posted by wutamess

See that's why we have to "impress". We're no different than a white guy. Why would you interview any different?

Actually I have a small story...
I was interviewing for a Tech Support position for a school in Noblesville Indiana... One of the first things out of the hiring guys mouth was, "You do know that we have no black students... How do you feel about that?" Probably no blacks in the county.

I didn't get the job and I'm sure it was because of that. Did I have a suit? Probably so. But I really don't care so to hell with it.

Just to show you that AA is needed.

I'm not following you.

You seem to be saying that a black guy interviewing with a white guy needs to act more "white" in order to get the job because of the stereotypes of blacks that white people have.

Is that correct?

[markk]

Originally Posted by wutamess

Well Dane... AA isn't intended for you... It's the other 95% of possible (racist) employers.

do you really think 95% of people who make hiring decisions are racist?

i think talk like that is part of what sets this discussion back.

[bishop_74]

Originally Posted by wutamess

Your statements hold truth... But since the Good Ol' Boy network is mostly made up of an inner circle of white males, who do you think will be more apt to get IN the network?

I would also venture to say that I have the exact same shot of getting in to the Good Ol' Boy network as you. None whatsoever. It's the same circle as Rock Stars and Movie Stars. You can be talented, but you better know someone to get your foot in the door. Those groups do not represent the majority of jobs that are available.