Chiefs Chiefs sign Mike Brown - Page 11

tomahawk kid · 06-24-2009, 10:13 AM

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chi...y/1272358.html

TheGuardian · 06-25-2009, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Not to single you out but I don't buy into this supposed "role".

Did you read Peter King's MMQB this week? There's a piece with Warren Sapp where Sapp unequivocally states that younger players do not listen to veterans. They blow them off, entirely. He saw it with the Bucs and the Raiders. He said Derrick Brooks has experienced the same thing.

Trent Green was pissed about the drafting of Brodie Croyle in 2006.

This whole "mentoring" thing is a figment of the imagination of the fans.

It just doesn't exist.

It actually does exist, but it's about players who are receptive to it. Sapp DID in fact try to teach those guys but they didn't care. And guess what? They sucked. Tony G often cited Ted Popson as a guy that mentored him and helped him tremendously when he was drafted. Grunny said that he learned more from Mike Webster than any coach. Cris Carter most certainly mentored Randy Moss. It does in fact exist, and the vets are willing to help the young guys but it's actually more about the young guys than the vets. You have to have young guys who want to learn and get better.

Hootie · 06-25-2009, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

If he was truly a team player that cared about the team, he wouldn't have tried to force his way back into the lineup when the Chiefs were performing very well on offense under Huard. But of course, that's a different issue.

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All of the shit I took for this very point...

Hootie · 06-25-2009, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Oh, I don't, huh? If was so good for the Bears last year, why was he released? Why wasn't he signed by any team in the NFL earlier than June 24th?

And apparently, you missed this nugget:

Since 2003, he's played in exactly 36 out of a possible 80 games due to various injuries.

He's an injury prone mother ****er, that's for sure...but he's always been a great player when on the field...the Bears didn't sign him because they have been drafting his replacement for years due to all of the injuries...the fact Mike Brown played 15 games last year was a shock to everyone in Chicago...that's for sure. The dude is an injury waiting to happen.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 06-25-2009, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I bet I was one of the five people that wasnt surprised by Pollards jump to a 87.

As Wendler gently weeps over the move, I too am not surprised. He's picking off Epic Fraud in practice, he'll be working the box and getting shit done.

Monster season ahead for BP.

Chiefnj2 · 06-25-2009, 08:31 AM

I love it when people think Madden football has some relationship to what actually happens in real football.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 06-25-2009, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

I love it when people think Madden football has some relationship to what actually happens in real football.

Meh. It's just a game.

More fun is when people's fantasy teams take BIG dump due to star player getting mangled for rest of season.

Ohhhhh....Sankyou!

Hammock Parties · 06-25-2009, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

As Wendler gently weeps over the move, I too am not surprised. He's picking off Epic Fraud in practice, he'll be working the box and getting shit done.

Monster season ahead for BP.

If Mike Brown stays healthy, he's gonna plant Pollard's ass on the bench.

Write it down.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 06-25-2009, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Claythan

If Mike Brown stays healthy, he's gonna plant Pollard's ass on the bench.

Write it down.

You will rarely get laid in life.

Write THAT down, and sell it for $109.00.

Hammock Parties · 06-25-2009, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

You will rarely get laid in life.

But in death, I'll be a playa.

Pimp 'O Hades

**DaneMcCloud** · 06-25-2009, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

It actually does exist, but it's about players who are receptive to it. Sapp DID in fact try to teach those guys but they didn't care. And guess what? They sucked. Tony G often cited Ted Popson as a guy that mentored him and helped him tremendously when he was drafted. Grunny said that he learned more from Mike Webster than any coach. Cris Carter most certainly mentored Randy Moss. It does in fact exist, and the vets are willing to help the young guys but it's actually more about the young guys than the vets. You have to have young guys who want to learn and get better.

You're mentioning extraordinary players: Gonzalez, Chris Carter, Randy Moss. These guys are sure-fire Hall of Famers - Duh.

What about the non-Hall of Fame guys? The other 1,689 football players in the league? They're just hanging on to their jobs by a thread. The Chiefs are a perfect example of that. How would you like to be Pollard or Page or Morgan at this point after the Chiefs signed Brown? Personally if I were Brown, I wouldn't help them at all. This is probably his last chance to play football.

Again (for the 100th time), this mentoring business is highly overrated by the fans.

And pointing out HOFer's does nothing to support the fact that is does exist in spades.

PhillyChiefFan · 06-25-2009, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Again (for the 100th time), this mentoring business is highly overrated by the fans.

And pointing out HOFer's does nothing to support the fact that is does exist in spades.

Agree 100%. People want to believe that the NFL is like Remember the Titans, where eveyone helps the team win. It's a cuthroat business and the guy under you wants your job and in turn livelyhood. Why would you want to help him take it? Unless you are a star player who continually produces, your place on a roster isn't safe.

Brett Favre was everyone's hero until he threw a fit when he couldn't get his job back.

chiefzilla1501 · 06-25-2009, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You're mentioning extraordinary players: Gonzalez, Chris Carter, Randy Moss. These guys are sure-fire Hall of Famers - Duh.

What about the non-Hall of Fame guys? The other 1,689 football players in the league? They're just hanging on to their jobs by a thread. The Chiefs are a perfect example of that. How would you like to be Pollard or Page or Morgan at this point after the Chiefs signed Brown? Personally if I were Brown, I wouldn't help them at all. This is probably his last chance to play football.

Again (for the 100th time), this mentoring business is highly overrated by the fans.

And pointing out HOFer's does nothing to support the fact that is does exist in spades.

But again, is it highly overrated by coaches and front offices? Leadership and the ability to be a good teammate are a critical part of the evaluation. You're acting like the only thing coaches pay attention to in the evaluation process is physical talent.

I guarantee that come final cut time, the average veteran who was a great teammate will outlast a slightly better veteran who refused to help anybody. And like I said earlier, mentoring is also by giving a good example, as when Brady "mentored" Cassel. Don't you think that average veterans are more likely to work their asses off and take practices much more seriously since they know full well that their jobs might be on the line?

Average veterans work hard and help others because it's their best chance at not getting fired. Especially for older veterans, it's a reason teams might keep you around for a few more years or give you one last 1-2 year contract be fore you retire. If anything, it's the superstars in their prime that are less likely to give a shit.

Mr. Krab · 06-25-2009, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by PhillyChiefFan

Agree 100%. People want to believe that the NFL is like Remember the Titans, where eveyone helps the team win. It's a cuthroat business and the guy under you wants your job and in turn livelyhood. Why would you want to help him take it? Unless you are a star player who continually produces, your place on a roster isn't safe.

Brett Favre was everyone's hero until he threw a fit when he couldn't get his job back.

Veterans help the younger guys even if they don't try. Young guys learn just by watching and listening.

PhillyChiefFan · 06-25-2009, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Krab's

Veterans help the younger guys even if they don't try. Young guys learn just by watching and listening.

That is very true. I suppose it depends on what you would call teaching or mentoring.

To me, mentoring is actually talking them through things, showing them the techniques etc etc. A vet who isn't secure in his position, would probably play his hand close to his chest.

Sure-Oz · 06-25-2009, 11:41 AM

low risk, high reward signing...

that said they shouldnt be counting on him starting every game. although he did play 15 last year but before that he avged around 4-6 games the past 4 years

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