Home Discord Chat
Go Back   ChiefsPlanet > Nzoner's Game Room
Register FAQDonate Members List Calendar

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 10-07-2009, 06:19 AM  
chiefs1111 chiefs1111 is offline
In Search of a Life
 
chiefs1111's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Parts Unknown
Casino cash: $-2426834
Browns trade Edwards to Jets

Braylon Edwards traded to the Jets Mort on Mike and Mike just broke it

Last edited by chiefs1111; 10-07-2009 at 08:13 AM..
Posts: 21,100
chiefs1111 would the whole thing.chiefs1111 would the whole thing.chiefs1111 would the whole thing.chiefs1111 would the whole thing.chiefs1111 would the whole thing.chiefs1111 would the whole thing.chiefs1111 would the whole thing.chiefs1111 would the whole thing.chiefs1111 would the whole thing.chiefs1111 would the whole thing.chiefs1111 would the whole thing.
    Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2009, 03:07 PM   #151
OnTheWarpath15 OnTheWarpath15 is offline
MVP
 
OnTheWarpath15's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2005
Casino cash: $2021115
Quote:
Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO View Post
What i have actually said is that pioli seems to have set up the contract situation where he could actually do just that, cut him, if needed.
*buzzer*

Wrong.

I said:

Quote:
Do you really think they'll cut him loose after 2 seasons if he's not performing?
And then YOU said:


Quote:
YES i do, what would make you think otherwiselooking at pioli/patriots past history

So, I'll ask AGAIN:

When has ANY team/GM/Pioli/Jesus used a draft pick in the 2nd round or higher to draft, or trade for a QB, start him for 2 years, and then cut him due to performance.

There's nothing in Pioli's history to suggest that, there's nothing in the Patriots history to suggest that, there's nothing in the modern history of the NFL to suggest that.
Posts: 60,758
OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2009, 03:32 PM   #152
SAUTO SAUTO is offline
Shit
 

Join Date: Jun 2008
Casino cash: $10039067
Quote:
Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 View Post
*buzzer*

Wrong.

I said:



And then YOU said:





So, I'll ask AGAIN:

When has ANY team/GM/Pioli/Jesus used a draft pick in the 2nd round or higher to draft, or trade for a QB, start him for 2 years, and then cut him due to performance.

There's nothing in Pioli's history to suggest that, there's nothing in the Patriots history to suggest that, there's nothing in the modern history of the NFL to suggest that.
Youre right i do THINK they will, thats why the contract was set up the way it is.

AGAIN: who has taken a 5 tech at #3? pioli has shown that he isnt concerned with precedent. he will set the precedent if needed. thats a fact.
Now do i KNOW what will happen? NO BUT if you look at the situation with an OPEN mind it's pretty clear that he left himself an out.


You are a funny guy and one day you might realize that just because YOU think it doesnt mean it's right.
Posts: 55,715
SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2009, 03:38 PM   #153
BigRock BigRock is offline
Pritay Pritay Pritay Good
 
BigRock's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: The State of Euphoria
Casino cash: $665412
Quote:
Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 View Post
When has ANY team/GM/Pioli/Jesus used a draft pick in the 2nd round or higher to draft, or trade for a QB, start him for 2 years, and then cut him due to performance.
It has happened before, but usually as some final gasp of desperation by a dying regime or something like that. The Dolphins and AJ Feeley come to mind. It's not perfectly analogous to the stated criteria, but Feeley wasn't in their plans just one year later, let alone two. He got pulled as a starter the same season they traded for him. WANNSTACHE~!

Sauto does have a point, though, about Cassel's contract. If you don't think they would cut him after two years, then you have to chalk up the specifics of his deal (equivalent* to 2 years of franchising [or 1 year franchised + 1 year RFA with no CBA]) as being some kind of happenstance.

I have trouble believing they'd cut bait on him so quick, but I also have trouble believing those numbers are just a coincidence.

(*it's actually a little cheaper)
Posts: 6,990
BigRock wants to die in a aids tree fire.BigRock wants to die in a aids tree fire.BigRock wants to die in a aids tree fire.BigRock wants to die in a aids tree fire.BigRock wants to die in a aids tree fire.BigRock wants to die in a aids tree fire.BigRock wants to die in a aids tree fire.BigRock wants to die in a aids tree fire.BigRock wants to die in a aids tree fire.BigRock wants to die in a aids tree fire.BigRock wants to die in a aids tree fire.
    Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2009, 03:40 PM   #154
OnTheWarpath15 OnTheWarpath15 is offline
MVP
 
OnTheWarpath15's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2005
Casino cash: $2021115
Quote:
Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO View Post
Youre right i do THINK they will, thats why the contract was set up the way it is.

AGAIN: who has taken a 5 tech at #3? pioli has shown that he isnt concerned with precedent. he will set the precedent if needed. thats a fact.
Now do i KNOW what will happen? NO BUT if you look at the situation with an OPEN mind it's pretty clear that he left himself an out.


You are a funny guy and one day you might realize that just because YOU think it doesnt mean it's right.
You keep saying this, but don't bother to explain what you mean by it.

Please, enlighten us.

How did Pioli structure the contract to "leave himself an out?"
Posts: 60,758
OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2009, 03:50 PM   #155
nychief nychief is offline
MVP
 
nychief's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: NYC
Casino cash: $5329466
Quote:
Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 View Post
Dear God.

NFL TEAMS DON'T USE A 1ST OR 2ND ROUND DRAFT PICK TO SELECT OR TRADE FOR A QB, AND THEN CUT HIM AFTER STARTING FOR 2 YEARS DUE TO NON-PERFORMANCE.


AJ Feely with Miami.... now would you shut the **** up about it.
__________________
Good Time Charlie, Uncle Doobie and the Great Frisco Freakout.
Posts: 8,177
nychief would the whole thing.nychief would the whole thing.nychief would the whole thing.nychief would the whole thing.nychief would the whole thing.nychief would the whole thing.nychief would the whole thing.nychief would the whole thing.nychief would the whole thing.nychief would the whole thing.nychief would the whole thing.
    Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2009, 03:53 PM   #156
OnTheWarpath15 OnTheWarpath15 is offline
MVP
 
OnTheWarpath15's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2005
Casino cash: $2021115
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigRock View Post
It has happened before, but usually as some final gasp of desperation by a dying regime or something like that. The Dolphins and AJ Feeley come to mind. It's not perfectly analogous to the stated criteria, but Feeley wasn't in their plans just one year later, let alone two. He got pulled as a starter the same season they traded for him. WANNSTACHE~!

Sauto does have a point, though, about Cassel's contract. If you don't think they would cut him after two years, then you have to chalk up the specifics of his deal (equivalent* to 2 years of franchising [or 1 year franchised + 1 year RFA with no CBA]) as being some kind of happenstance.

I have trouble believing they'd cut bait on him so quick, but I also have trouble believing those numbers are just a coincidence.

(*it's actually a little cheaper)
No, he really doesn't.

Because "if you don't think they would cut him after two years" as I don't - you're failing to recognize that he'll get the rest of the $63M.

He's only guaranteed $28M.

He's going to get paid much, much more than that.

People are trying to justify his contract by saying we'd only be out $28M, when that's far from the case.

Hell, for sake of conversation, say we did cut his ass after the 2010 season.

He'll earn the entire $28M, plus his base salary for 2009 and 2010, plus any roster bonuses that may have been part of the deal.
Posts: 60,758
OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2009, 03:54 PM   #157
Reerun_KC Reerun_KC is offline
Banned
 

Join Date: Aug 2005
Casino cash: $7231160
Quote:
Originally Posted by nychief View Post
AJ Feely with Miami.... now would you shut the **** up about it.
AJ Feely was drafted in the 5th round...
Posts: 1,529
Reerun_KC is obviously part of the inner Circle.Reerun_KC is obviously part of the inner Circle.Reerun_KC is obviously part of the inner Circle.Reerun_KC is obviously part of the inner Circle.Reerun_KC is obviously part of the inner Circle.Reerun_KC is obviously part of the inner Circle.Reerun_KC is obviously part of the inner Circle.Reerun_KC is obviously part of the inner Circle.Reerun_KC is obviously part of the inner Circle.Reerun_KC is obviously part of the inner Circle.Reerun_KC is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2009, 03:57 PM   #158
OnTheWarpath15 OnTheWarpath15 is offline
MVP
 
OnTheWarpath15's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2005
Casino cash: $2021115
Quote:
Originally Posted by nychief View Post
AJ Feely with Miami.... now would you shut the **** up about it.
Did they sign Feeley to a 6 year deal worth $63M and then let him walk?

No?

Then **** off.
Posts: 60,758
OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2009, 03:58 PM   #159
SAUTO SAUTO is offline
Shit
 

Join Date: Jun 2008
Casino cash: $10039067
Quote:
Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 View Post
You keep saying this, but don't bother to explain what you mean by it.

Please, enlighten us.

How did Pioli structure the contract to "leave himself an out?"
It was said at the time that the contract was front loaded. And by guaranteeing him 28 million when he would have gotten 28 million for two years tells the story
Posts: 55,715
SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2009, 04:01 PM   #160
SAUTO SAUTO is offline
Shit
 

Join Date: Jun 2008
Casino cash: $10039067
Quote:
Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 View Post
No, he really doesn't.

Because "if you don't think they would cut him after two years" as I don't - you're failing to recognize that he'll get the rest of the $63M.

He's only guaranteed $28M.

He's going to get paid much, much more than that.

People are trying to justify his contract by saying we'd only be out $28M, when that's far from the case.

Hell, for sake of conversation, say we did cut his ass after the 2010 season.

He'll earn the entire $28M, plus his base salary for 2009 and 2010, plus any roster bonuses that may have been part of the deal.
how do guarantees work? thats the signing bonus and the yearly salary that he's guaranteed no matter what right? so some if not all of that 28 million will be paid in the first three years if you believe what was speculated at the time of the signing.


Again you should try to be objective here.
Posts: 55,715
SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2009, 04:01 PM   #161
SAUTO SAUTO is offline
Shit
 

Join Date: Jun 2008
Casino cash: $10039067
Quote:
Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 View Post
Did they sign Feeley to a 6 year deal worth $63M and then let him walk?

No?

Then **** off.
nice of you to move the goal posts.
You never said a thing about a contract in your question
Posts: 55,715
SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2009, 04:03 PM   #162
nychief nychief is offline
MVP
 
nychief's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: NYC
Casino cash: $5329466
Quote:
Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 View Post
Did they sign Feeley to a 6 year deal worth $63M and then let him walk?

No?

Then **** off.


Is the EXACT situation to Cassel? no. But you asked for an example.... Feely was traded for a 2nd... dropped two years later after not playing well.

So, you got your answer you little cry baby.


now eat a bag of dicks. Okay, CAPTAIN CAPS.
__________________
Good Time Charlie, Uncle Doobie and the Great Frisco Freakout.
Posts: 8,177
nychief would the whole thing.nychief would the whole thing.nychief would the whole thing.nychief would the whole thing.nychief would the whole thing.nychief would the whole thing.nychief would the whole thing.nychief would the whole thing.nychief would the whole thing.nychief would the whole thing.nychief would the whole thing.
    Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2009, 04:06 PM   #163
OnTheWarpath15 OnTheWarpath15 is offline
MVP
 
OnTheWarpath15's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2005
Casino cash: $2021115
Quote:
Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO View Post
It was said at the time that the contract was front loaded. And by guaranteeing him 28 million when he would have gotten 28 million for two years tells the story
Tells what story?

You still have to pay the man his base salary for 2009 and 2010, plus any bonuses/incentives you worked into the contract.

And FWIW, the contract WAS front-loaded, where Cassel earns something like $41M over the first 3 years - essentially guaranteeing he'll be here for AT LEAST those 3 years.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/7...ssels-contract
Posts: 60,758
OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2009, 04:06 PM   #164
OnTheWarpath15 OnTheWarpath15 is offline
MVP
 
OnTheWarpath15's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2005
Casino cash: $2021115
Quote:
Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO View Post
nice of you to move the goal posts.
You never said a thing about a contract in your question
Jesus Christ, Jason, you think the money has nothing to do with the discussion?

The whole goddamn conversation revolves around his contract.
Posts: 60,758
OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2009, 04:08 PM   #165
SAUTO SAUTO is offline
Shit
 

Join Date: Jun 2008
Casino cash: $10039067
Quote:
Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 View Post
Jesus Christ, Jason, you think the money has nothing to do with the discussion?

The whole goddamn conversation revolves around his contract.
JESUS CHRIST otwp you asked what qb was traded for or drafted with a 1 or 2, he gave you one and then you said contract, thats moving the posts
Posts: 55,715
SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 12:36 AM.


This is a test for a client's site.
Fort Worth Texas Process Servers
Covering Arlington, Fort Worth, Grand Prairie and surrounding communities.
Tarrant County, Texas and Johnson County, Texas.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.