Florio: Haley threatened to trade Bowe during Redskins game

[OnTheWarpath15]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...r-dwayne-bowe/

Trade threat turned the light on for Dwayne Bowe
Posted by Mike Florio on October 19, 2009 3:05 PM ET

As pointed out in the Chiefs-Redskins portion our Morning Aftermath, Kansas City receiver Dwayne Bowe caught six passes for 109 yards. It was his best output of the season.

Bowe's performance came at a time when rumors are rampant that he (and pretty much any other Chiefs player not named "Matt Cassel") is available as the trade deadline looms.

So was he motivated by the rumors? As it turns out, no.

Bowe was motivated by a specific threat, from coach Todd Haley.

Per a league source, Haley tore into Bowe early in Sunday's win over the Redskins, urging Bowe to pick up his game and threatening to trade Bowe if he didn't.

Though some might have seen it as a chance to get over the wall and head to a contending team, the exchange seemed to light a fire under Bowe.

So we suppose it would be fitting if the performance prompts a team like the Dolphins or Ravens to make the Chiefs an offer for Bowe that G.M. Scott Pioli accepts.

WTF?

[King_Chief_Fan]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Would it not be a benefit to the TEAM to make an effort with the worst unit (OL) on the roster?

If ANYONE needs to understand that their job isn't safe from week to week, it the OL.

You can throw Brown in that category too.

If these "threats" are the motivating factor some of you claim they are, how about lighting a fire under the asses of the slackers?

it takes a coach to know the difference, you and I aren't coaches. You don't waste your time on a guy who hasn't shown promise.

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

So then why do Niswanger and Goff get a pass?

Because those guys are what they are. Scrub/average players. Why would he spend time breaking his foot off in players asses who really do work as hard as they can't, but just don't have the talent to be any better?

Like I said, Haley will replace those guys this offseason. Book it. But right now, he's going to ride his best players to become even better so that way when new young guys come in, they will look to those guys for how to prepare and conduct themselves.

I bet there were Cardinal fans that wondered why Haley was riding Fitz ass so hard when the guy was already considered a top 10 WR. Well, after Haley got there he became arguably the BEST WR in the league. And there is a difference between being a top 10 guy, and possibly the best guy at your position.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

So then why do Niswanger and Goff get a pass?

Who says they're getting a pass?

PhilFree

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan

it takes a coach to know the difference, you and I aren't coaches. You don't waste your time on a guy who hasn't shown promise.

So, **** the 45 guys that show no promise, and just coach up the handful that do.

Sounds like a winning strategy.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Would it not be a benefit to the TEAM to make an effort with the worst unit (OL) on the roster?

If ANYONE needs to understand that their job isn't safe from week to week, it the OL.

You can throw Brown in that category too.

If these "threats" are the motivating factor some of you claim they are, how about lighting a fire under the asses of the slackers?

He talked about that today by showing the OL the clips of Cassel continuously getting drilled by 300 lb + DE\DT's.

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Because as soon as he can get guys to replace those guys he will. He doesn't see guys like goff and Niswanger as part of a GREAT TEAM. Therefore he'll deal with the hand he has been dealt with those guys right now and upgrade them when he can.

You ever notice he only talks about the good players on the team for the most part, yet those same players he seems to criticize the most? Albert, Bowe, Flowers, Dorsey etc? Why? Because those are the guys that he will build the team around, yet at the same time he needs for them to rise to even greater levels. As a coach you ride your best players the hardest. The guys you know don't have "it" you make due with them. Bowe probably has the highest ceiling of anyone on the team besides Flowers, so those two guys will get ridden the hardest. Since Flowers seems to be living up to his part he hasn't caught the full force of it. Once bowe starts he'll stop riding his ass so hard.

Oh I have no doubts that will happen. But when you're benching good players, you're benching quality. Over what? Lack of quality. It doesn't make sense.

If you bench lack of quality then it doesn't hurt as much because at least you can find out what you have on the depth charts.

Benching quality is only hurting the team. If you're gonna bench someone, bench the guys who don't perform. Then maybe you bring out the best in those players?

[King_Chief_Fan]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

So, **** the 45 guys that show no promise, and just coach up the handful that do.

Sounds like a winning strategy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud
So then why do Niswanger and Goff get a pass?

Because those guys are what they are. Scrub/average players. Why would he spend time breaking his foot off in players asses who really do work as hard as they can, but just don't have the talent to be any better?

Like I said, Haley will replace those guys this offseason. Book it. But right now, he's going to ride his best players to become even better so that way when new young guys come in, they will look to those guys for how to prepare and conduct themselves.

I bet there were Cardinal fans that wondered why Haley was riding Fitz ass so hard when the guy was already considered a top 10 WR. Well, after Haley got there he became arguably the BEST WR in the league. And there is a difference between being a top 10 guy, and possibly the best guy at your position.

[Crush]

This thread is disgusting.

[blazzin311]

Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing

I don't believe it but if its true, then WTF haley?


But I seriously doubt haley is that big of an asshole. And I doubt bowe would be celebrating with haley at the end of the game if he had just received that threat earlier in the game.Posted via Mobile Device

Exactly. If I recall correctly, Bowe was one of the first players, (might have been the first) to go up and congratulate and hug Haley after the win. I could be mistaken though. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[doomy3]

Originally Posted by JD10367

Oh, please.

Cassel spent his first few seasons under Bill Belichick, fer crissake.

There's nothing Haley could say or do that would scare Cassel, LOL.

Honest question.

Have there ever been reports of Belichick threatening to trade his best player in the middle of the game?

Are there numerous heated exchanges between Belichick and his QBs during every game?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Because those guys are what they are. Scrub/average players. Why would he spend time breaking his foot off in players asses who really do work as hard as they can't, but just don't have the talent to be any better?

Like I said, Haley will replace those guys this offseason. Book it. But right now, he's going to ride his best players to become even better so that way when new young guys come in, they will look to those guys for how to prepare and conduct themselves.

I bet there were Cardinal fans that wondered why Haley was riding Fitz ass so hard when the guy was already considered a top 10 WR. Well, after Haley got there he became arguably the BEST WR in the league. And there is a difference between being a top 10 guy, and possibly the best guy at your position.

I don't disagree with the 2nd and 3rd paragraphs.

However, just ignoring the "stopgaps" isn't for the best of the team, IMO. Now, or for the future.

Mike Brown has made more mistakes in 6 games than Pollard made last year. Why not send him a message, bench his ass, and give Morgan a chance to show you something - instead of just assuming that because he was a Herm pick he's worthless?

Same with the OL. Mix things up. See what you have in younger players. If there EVER was a time to see what you have in some of these young guys, NOW is the time - instead, we're watching Cassel get abused because of Goff's incompetence/apathy, when we could be getting a look at younger players - who may never amount to anything, but at least we would KNOW.

Fair to say that we know exactly what we're getting, and going to get out of Brown and Goff, as examples.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by philfree

Who says they're getting a pass?

PhilFree

By the simple fact that both are uncontested starters.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Because those guys are what they are. Scrub/average players. Why would he spend time breaking his foot off in players asses who really do work as hard as they can't, but just don't have the talent to be any better?

Then why haven't they been replaced?

If they're both as good as they get (which is complete trash), why aren't they signing guys off of practice squads, moving a player like Wade Smith to center, right guard or right tackle, etc.

Why the status quo?

I'm sorry but that just doesn't add up, IMO.

[wild1]

Everything else this Florio dork writes is BS, I don't believe this either.

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I don't disagree with the 2nd and 3rd paragraphs.

However, just ignoring the "stopgaps" isn't for the best of the team, IMO. Now, or for the future.

Mike Brown has made more mistakes in 6 games than Pollard made last year. Why not send him a message, bench his ass, and give Morgan a chance to show you something - instead of just assuming that because he was a Herm pick he's worthless?

Same with the OL. Mix things up. See what you have in younger players. If there EVER was a time to see what you have in some of these young guys, NOW is the time - instead, we're watching Cassel get abused because of Goff's incompetence/apathy, when we could be getting a look at younger players - who may never amount to anything, but at least we would KNOW.

Fair to say that we know exactly what we're getting, and going to get out of Brown and Goff, as examples.

I agree now is the time to do it were rebuilding and have nothing to lose by benching some of these guys. If your gonna find out what you have in Morgan, might as well play him now and since they're a bad team they can afford experiments.