It's all about the offensive line.

[Chris Meck]

Seriously. We cannot run block. We cannot pass block. We cannot hang on to the ball, so our defense tires and gives up big plays.

No skill position player is going to amount to squat when the line is that bad.

People want to take a safety in the top 3? Really? What good is that going to do? We'll lose by 20 instead of 30, I guess.

This line needs a complete and total overhaul. That's as bad of a line as I've ever seen. A complete abortion.

Waters is just as bad as all the rest at this point in his career, too. the ONLY (kind of maybe) bright spots today were Barry Richardson's mediocre to fair job at LT and Smith at C did fair. The rest have no place on an NFL field.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Well to be fair the Saints do have a 1st round pick OT but he's on IR.

True, but the fact is they've hardly missed a beat with Bushrod replacing Brown.

And that's the point.

[Mecca]

The Saints have just been really good at drafting guys like that..Carl Nicks in the 5th their other guard in the 4th 2 young starting guards in the rounds they should be taken in.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by RedThat

Im sure there will be OT's availale when we pick in the top 5 or 10. And they MUST take one whether he plays right or left tackle I don't care.

This team has failed miserably addressing the Oline in the draft. Im tired of it. Drafting 1 guy doesn't cut it. This is something they should of done previously. I don't care any way people spin it, I don't want them neglecting the foundation of a football team. This is something the Chiefs should of done when Roaf and Shields were nearing retirement.

The point I'm trying to make is 3 of the positions they badly need upgrading on the offensive line are positions that are typically not first round grade picks. You can find the top center of the board with a high 2nd round pick and one of the top guards on the board with a low 2nd round pick.

And there's no reason to believe Albert won't get better once he get's used to playing at a lower weight.

You get improvement out of Albert, and you get 2 quality starters, and you've got major improvement for your o-line. Hell, the problem this season isn't so much that we lack quality starters as much as it is that we are putting in complete piles of shit on the offensive line. If you get improvement out of Albert, you get 1 quality starter, and you find someone to throw Niswanger and Goff to the curve, you've improved markedly too.

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by milkman

You build a foundation by taking the best players that fill a need.

Mays and Berry are better players than Okung that fill a need.

You can go build an O-Line in the mid rounds.

The Saints have one of the best in the league right now, and there isn't a single first round pick on their line.

The game is won in the trenches. Bottomline. So they must address what's most important. I want both the running game and passing game to improve. There will probably be an OT worthy of picking in the top 5 or 10.

[ChiefsCountry]

We could take somebody like Jon Asamoah out of Illinois in the 4th round and be set at right guard for the next decade. Thats a smarter move than drafting OL so freaking early.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by RedThat

The game is won in the trenches. Bottomline. So they must address what's most important. I want both the running game and passing game to improve. There will probably be an OT worthy of picking in the top 5 or 10.

That's the bottom line. But few teams have more than one first round pick on their line.

You can build your offensive line without burning a first round pick. Again, taking a Center and a Guard in the second round and bringing in 1-2 through free agency or UDFAs, and continuing to improve Albert, that's going to make our o-line 100 times better.

[Gadzooks]

Pioli will always find the OL gems in the mid rounds but, from the looks of it, the Chiefs will be able to pick up a high talent player in the top ten.
If you're in the top three, I could see Pioli dropping down to pick multiple 5 to 10 year star starters.
You guy's are lucky 'cause you suck during a great draft year.
If Pioli picks a DE high in the top three again, you may have reasons for murderous thoughts, but from the looks of it, you're going to have an opportunity to get several quality (if not superstar) players.
The Bolts may not even make the playoffs and will still have a shitty spot in the draft.
Advantage Chiefs. Enjoy the draft position while it lasts.
If your saviour, Pioli, has his way you won't be picking this high for years.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by RedThat

Im sure there will be OT's availale when we pick in the top 5 or 10. And they MUST take one whether he plays right or left tackle I don't care.

This team has failed miserably addressing the Oline in the draft. Im tired of it. Drafting 1 guy doesn't cut it. This is something they should of done previously. I don't care any way people spin it, I don't want them neglecting the foundation of a football team. This is something the Chiefs should of done when Roaf and Shields were nearing retirement.

Yeah.

This team never needs any playmakers.

Just draft O-Line.

[Mecca]

If this team takes a guy to play RT with it's top 5 pick they are a reeruned franchise.

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

The point I'm trying to make is 3 of the positions they badly need upgrading on the offensive line are positions that are typically not first round grade picks. You can find the top center of the board with a high 2nd round pick and one of the top guards on the board with a low 2nd round pick.

And there's no reason to believe Albert won't get better once he get's used to playing at a lower weight.

You get improvement out of Albert, and you get 2 quality starters, and you've got major improvement for your o-line. Hell, the problem this season isn't so much that we lack quality starters as much as it is that we are putting in complete piles of shit on the offensive line. If you get improvement out of Albert, you get 1 quality starter, and you find someone to throw Niswanger and Goff to the curve, you've improved markedly too.

And addressing the center and guard positions in the 2nd round is what they should do. Heck, gimme the best guards and centers in the draft. If you can find them in the 2nd round, you do it.

And the problem is, they lack the quality starters and are addressing the most important areas with piles of shit out there. It's no coincedence why the offensive line has sucked for the last 4 years. It's time to focus on this area and add some quality to it.

[The Bad Guy]

Some of you ****ers are just programmed a certain way and that's it.

[Mecca]

Most fans don't care about offensive lineman, this fan base overrates them.

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by milkman

Yeah.

This team never needs any playmakers.

Just draft O-Line.

Right because they don't HAVE any playmakers on the Oline. The MOST IMPORTANT position on the football team. The area that makes other players better.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by RedThat

The game is won in the trenches. Bottomline. So they must address what's most important. I want both the running game and passing game to improve. There will probably be an OT worthy of picking in the top 5 or 10.

Championships are won by playmakers.

The Chiefs had one of the best O-Line in the 90s and won jack.

They had the best O-Line in Dick's years, and won Jack.

The Steelers meanwhile had shit on Oline last year but had playmakers and won a SB.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by RedThat

Right because they don't HAVE any playmakers on the Oline. The MOST IMPORTANT position on the football team. The area that makes other players better.

Yeah, O-Lineman are playmakers.