Royals KC vs Detroit 7/10: End of the First Half - Page 11

**gblowfish** · 07-10-2011, 12:09 PM

We're on pace to lose 95 games this year, and today for the first half finale we get Justin Verlander.

Are you optimistic?

kcchiefsus · 07-10-2011, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Prowl

lol at the piece of shit Jeff Francis well on his sorry ass way to losing 20 games. Talk about an embarrassment of a signing.

Seriously? **** off.

**DeezNutz** · 07-10-2011, 10:30 PM

Dude was out as out can be. Now, you could argue that Inge was blocking the base without the ball, which is illegal, but you'd be pissing into the wind, since this infraction is glossed over by all umpiring crews. Blocking the bag, that is. Pissing into the wind is only mildly frowned upon.

Al Bundy · 07-10-2011, 10:41 PM

A rule is a rule. It wouldn't have mattered anyway.The only starting pitcher that isn't just happy to be in the big leagues is Duffy, the other 5 are just collecting checks at this point in their careers. Until that changes the Royals won't win anything.

**Reaper16** · 07-10-2011, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Pissing into the wind is only mildly frowned upon.

And even then; for Moises Alou, it is agreeable in the way that all minutely-restorative things are.

**DeezNutz** · 07-10-2011, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

And even then; for Moises Alou, it is agreeable in the way that all minutely-restorative things are.

Calluses are bad, mmkay.

Titty Meat · 07-10-2011, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1

Jack Harry all over Yost!

He's a few weeks too late. Throwing Hosmer under the bus was bullshit and then telling Bob Davis he'd rather be at the lake on the 4th of July was telling.

sedated · 07-11-2011, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by kcchiefsus

Seriously? **** off.

Prowl is a complete moron who constantly berates pitchers. He is the same douche who, after O'Sullivan pitched 8 innings of 1-run ball, said he "did just enough to lose".

Deberg_1990 · 07-11-2011, 09:14 AM

Why Hosmer was right to steal

http://royals.kansascity.com/games/268/

Fans have the luxury of waiting until a play is over before deciding whether it should have been attempted. Unfortunately, managers and players have to decide whether to attempt a play before they know the outcome. I’ve said this before, and I’m guessing I’ll say it again, especially if people say Eric Hosmer should not have attempted to steal third in the ninth inning of this game.

Here’s the deal. Bottom of the ninth, score 2-1 and Hosmer doubles the other way. The Royals put on a “don’t steal” sign because nobody’s out and Jeff Francoeur is at the plate. Frenchy leads the team in RBIs, so they want to give him the chance to drive in Hosmer. Frenchy strikes out. One down. Mike Moustakas at the plate. The Royals give Hosmer a “steal if you get a jump” sign. (They also have a “must steal” sign.)

Manager Ned Yost and the Royals did have several other options. Moustakas had one hit in his last 24 at-bats. He clearly has been scuffling, so they could have sent a pinch hitter up there if they wanted to. But remember Alcides Escobar. Everyone screamed at Ned for not pinch-hitting for Esky, but Ned said that Esky is never going to learn to hit in those situations without hitting in those situations. Yost stuck by his guns, and Alcides started hitting.

Same thing with Mike Moustakas. Ned thinks Mike needs to face the top pitchers to learn how to have success against the top pitchers, so he stuck with Moustakas. Moose is the third baseman of the future. He needs to experience this stuff.

So if it’s a given that Moose is going to go to the plate, you could also have Hosmer stay put and put all the pressure on Mike and whoever hits next. (Brayan Pena was scheduled, but he’s not on the same developmental path as Moustakas, so maybe they pinch hit there … I don’t know the answer to that one.) If Hosmer stays put, you’re betting on a guy who is hitting about .230 and having a rough time to come through against Tigers closer Jose Valverde, who has a 2.70 ERA and 24 saves. Not a great bet.

If Hosmer got to third, Mostakas might have been able to score him by just getting the ball in play, which was a much better bet. Mike had a broken-bat hit against Tigers starter Justin Verlander and got the ball in play every time he went to the plate, so those odds look quite a bit better.

One more thing tipping the scale in favor of the steal: Jose Valverde takes 1.75 to 1.8 seconds to get the ball to the plate. The Royals base-stealers can go on a 1.3. Hosmer isn’t a burner, but 1.7 is Billy Butler territory, so Hosmer went.

And was probably safe.

Hosmer beat the throw, but he was called out. When I saw the replay, I expected to see Eric blocked off the base by Tigers third baseman Brandon Inge. Inge tried. He “dropped a knee,” the technique for keeping the runner from touching the base by kneeling in front of it. But Inge’s knee came down on top of the base, not in front of it. Eric said he got his hand to the base before being tagged and was “100 percent” sure.

Unfortunately for Hosmer, the Royals and all their fans, third-base umpire Tom Hallion just stayed where he was and never improved his position before calling Hosmer out. From his angle, Hallion probably saw Inge’s knee go down, missed that it was on top of the base and made the call assuming that Hosmer never touched third.

When a play fails, it’s easy to say it shouldn’t have been attempted. But when you examine the options available — let Moustakas try to drive in Hosmer from second with a hit, or steal the base and let Moustakas try to drive in Hosmer by putting the ball in play — I think Hosmer needed to steal.

And good for him for having the guts to try it.

**gblowfish** · 07-11-2011, 10:20 AM

When you look up "David Glass" on Wiki and read his bio as owner of the Royals, it's pretty bleak. Funny Drayton McLain is one of Glass' best friends. He owns the Astros, one of the few teams that is actually crappier than the Royals this year. Birds of a feather flock together:

David Glass' Career with Kansas City Royals

Glass became the interim CEO and Chairman of the Board of Directors of the Royals on September 23, 1993, following the death of the founding owner, Ewing Kauffman. Under Glass' leadership, the board cut the payroll budget from $41 million to $19 million. During the Major League Baseball strike of 1994-1995, Glass opposed any settlement with the players' union without a salary cap, and supported the use of strike breaking "replacement" players, despite a court ruling that Major League owners were in violation of Federal labor laws.

On April 18, 2000, Glass became sole owner of the Royals, purchasing the organization for $96 million. The Board approved his offer despite a competing bid $120 million by Miles Prentice. The MLB said that Prentice did not have league mandated net worth to buy the team. An original stipulation of the sale was that any profits from Glass' sale of the Royals must go to charity, but that clause has since expired.

During his tenure as owner, Glass has been criticized for using the same cost-cutting management style of the Wal-Mart company with the Royals baseball team, resulting in large personal profits for himself but a poorly-performing team. Glass' management is cited for transforming the Royals from a winning team in the 1980s to one of the worst teams in Major League Baseball during the 1990s and 2000s.

Glass created a controversy on 9 June 2006 by revoking the press credentials of two reporters who had earlier asked pointed questions to Royals management. The harsh move to avoid criticism infuriated many within the press and led to a backlash of articles that extended far beyond the Kansas City sports community.

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07-11-2011, 09:14 AM	#158
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $3754454	Why Hosmer was right to steal http://royals.kansascity.com/games/268/ Fans have the luxury of waiting until a play is over before deciding whether it should have been attempted. Unfortunately, managers and players have to decide whether to attempt a play before they know the outcome. I’ve said this before, and I’m guessing I’ll say it again, especially if people say Eric Hosmer should not have attempted to steal third in the ninth inning of this game. Here’s the deal. Bottom of the ninth, score 2-1 and Hosmer doubles the other way. The Royals put on a “don’t steal” sign because nobody’s out and Jeff Francoeur is at the plate. Frenchy leads the team in RBIs, so they want to give him the chance to drive in Hosmer. Frenchy strikes out. One down. Mike Moustakas at the plate. The Royals give Hosmer a “steal if you get a jump” sign. (They also have a “must steal” sign.) Manager Ned Yost and the Royals did have several other options. Moustakas had one hit in his last 24 at-bats. He clearly has been scuffling, so they could have sent a pinch hitter up there if they wanted to. But remember Alcides Escobar. Everyone screamed at Ned for not pinch-hitting for Esky, but Ned said that Esky is never going to learn to hit in those situations without hitting in those situations. Yost stuck by his guns, and Alcides started hitting. Same thing with Mike Moustakas. Ned thinks Mike needs to face the top pitchers to learn how to have success against the top pitchers, so he stuck with Moustakas. Moose is the third baseman of the future. He needs to experience this stuff. So if it’s a given that Moose is going to go to the plate, you could also have Hosmer stay put and put all the pressure on Mike and whoever hits next. (Brayan Pena was scheduled, but he’s not on the same developmental path as Moustakas, so maybe they pinch hit there … I don’t know the answer to that one.) If Hosmer stays put, you’re betting on a guy who is hitting about .230 and having a rough time to come through against Tigers closer Jose Valverde, who has a 2.70 ERA and 24 saves. Not a great bet. If Hosmer got to third, Mostakas might have been able to score him by just getting the ball in play, which was a much better bet. Mike had a broken-bat hit against Tigers starter Justin Verlander and got the ball in play every time he went to the plate, so those odds look quite a bit better. One more thing tipping the scale in favor of the steal: Jose Valverde takes 1.75 to 1.8 seconds to get the ball to the plate. The Royals base-stealers can go on a 1.3. Hosmer isn’t a burner, but 1.7 is Billy Butler territory, so Hosmer went. And was probably safe. Hosmer beat the throw, but he was called out. When I saw the replay, I expected to see Eric blocked off the base by Tigers third baseman Brandon Inge. Inge tried. He “dropped a knee,” the technique for keeping the runner from touching the base by kneeling in front of it. But Inge’s knee came down on top of the base, not in front of it. Eric said he got his hand to the base before being tagged and was “100 percent” sure. Unfortunately for Hosmer, the Royals and all their fans, third-base umpire Tom Hallion just stayed where he was and never improved his position before calling Hosmer out. From his angle, Hallion probably saw Inge’s knee go down, missed that it was on top of the base and made the call assuming that Hosmer never touched third. When a play fails, it’s easy to say it shouldn’t have been attempted. But when you examine the options available — let Moustakas try to drive in Hosmer from second with a hit, or steal the base and let Moustakas try to drive in Hosmer by putting the ball in play — I think Hosmer needed to steal. And good for him for having the guts to try it.
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07-11-2011, 10:20 AM	#159
gblowfish Be Kind To Your Pets Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Glorious Independence, MO Casino cash: $17606178 VARSITY	When you look up "David Glass" on Wiki and read his bio as owner of the Royals, it's pretty bleak. Funny Drayton McLain is one of Glass' best friends. He owns the Astros, one of the few teams that is actually crappier than the Royals this year. Birds of a feather flock together: David Glass' Career with Kansas City Royals Glass became the interim CEO and Chairman of the Board of Directors of the Royals on September 23, 1993, following the death of the founding owner, Ewing Kauffman. Under Glass' leadership, the board cut the payroll budget from $41 million to $19 million. During the Major League Baseball strike of 1994-1995, Glass opposed any settlement with the players' union without a salary cap, and supported the use of strike breaking "replacement" players, despite a court ruling that Major League owners were in violation of Federal labor laws. On April 18, 2000, Glass became sole owner of the Royals, purchasing the organization for $96 million. The Board approved his offer despite a competing bid $120 million by Miles Prentice. The MLB said that Prentice did not have league mandated net worth to buy the team. An original stipulation of the sale was that any profits from Glass' sale of the Royals must go to charity, but that clause has since expired. During his tenure as owner, Glass has been criticized for using the same cost-cutting management style of the Wal-Mart company with the Royals baseball team, resulting in large personal profits for himself but a poorly-performing team. Glass' management is cited for transforming the Royals from a winning team in the 1980s to one of the worst teams in Major League Baseball during the 1990s and 2000s. Glass created a controversy on 9 June 2006 by revoking the press credentials of two reporters who had earlier asked pointed questions to Royals management. The harsh move to avoid criticism infuriated many within the press and led to a backlash of articles that extended far beyond the Kansas City sports community.
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