Alex Smith vs. Rich Gannon

[FringeNC]

My view is that Andy Reid has no use for "game manager" QBs. What skills did Rich Gannon have that Alex Smith does not? Rich Gannon passed for about 4500 yards one year a Reid-like offense. Why can't Alex Smith do the same? Not saying he will, but help me understand why it's not going to happen.

[BigMeatballDave]

Oh, look.

More discussion about the SAME ****ING SHIT.

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by 9er guy

I think you're showing how little you know about the pistol offense.

It's just a formation. The QB is closer to the line of scrimmage.

You can run the zone read out of the pistol but you don't have to.

You can hand the ball to the back or run play-action.

It's not like the QB has to run it EVERY time just cause you're in the pistol formation.

I think YOU are showing your knowlege.

The pistol is more than just a formation. It is a scheme run out of that formation.
Its the pistol OFFENSE.
And that offense exposes the QB more than any other.
Tell me I'm wrong.
And BTW. We ran the pistol long before Harbaugh or Kaep even thought about San Fran

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by Kaepernick

From 2004:

Gannon has excelled in throwing 25-to-30-yard intermediate routes with accuracy and even unleashed a few 50-to-55-yard throws. That arm strength has allowed the Raiders to lengthen some of their routes for Jerry Rice and Jerry Porter...

Somebody, please let me know when Alex begins to excel at "throwing 25-to-30-yard intermediate routes with accuracy".

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/column...ohn&id=1838981

This is an article from 2004 long after Gruden and his short passing game was dust n the wind in Oak town.

Nice try though.

He's running Norvs offense with a rating in the 70s.

Fail

[9er guy]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

I think YOU are showing your knowlege.

The pistol is more than just a formation. It is a scheme run out of that formation.
Its the pistol OFFENSE.
And that offense exposes the QB more than any other.
Tell me I'm wrong.
And BTW. We ran the pistol long before Harbaugh or Kaep even thought about San Fran

Chris Ault created it in 2005 so I'm not sure how you were running it long before Harbs and co.

[9er guy]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

This is an article from 2004 long after Gruden and his short passing game was dust n the wind in Oak town.
Nice try though.

I've watched enough Smitty to know he's no Rich Gannon.

[Kaepernick]

At least Rich Gannon understands the importance of superior QB development.


The way former NFL quarterback and most valuable player Rich Gannon sees it, the development of quarterbacks in the league is seriously lacking. Says Gannon:

I don't think we're doing a good enough job developing the quarterback position. Some teams do a much better job, with the Green Bay Packers being one of the best.

There are situations in the league where the quarterback is struggling, and you say, "Who's coaching him?" It's, "Well, it's the guy who was the receivers coach two years ago, but we elevated him to the quarterback coach." Well, did he ever play the position? No. Did he ever coach the position? No. And that's part of the problem.

I remember when I played in Kansas City in the off-season we had eight-page quarterback tests. First page would be an essay; second page: multiple choice; third page: fill in the blank; fourth, fifth, sixth pages would be protections, where you had to draw up a protection versus eight different fronts. Then there would be short-answer questions. Honestly, it was about a 45-minute test. It was unbelievable.

There was some peer pressure to get a good score, because there were other quarterbacks in that room, and you didn't want to be the one to miss five or six questions on that test. Second, it allowed the coach to know who knew what and who didn't know what. What were your areas of strength, and what were the areas where you needed more work?

Packers Coach Mike McCarthy coached the quarterbacks in Kansas City at the time, and he took those tests to another level.

The first question on one test: Describe in 250 words or less our version of the West Coast offense and the Kansas City Chiefs' philosophy as it relates to playing the quarterback position. That was the question.

Another of the questions was "Describe 24 and 25 Protection — solid seven-man protection — and draw it up against these eight different fronts."

I can go into some teams right now and I can ask the quarterback, "Tell me everything you know about protection." And you'd be blown away at the guys' responses, what they don't know. You'd be just stunned.

You'd think you could ask about everything they know about protections and the guy would say, "OK, let's talk about five-man protections, then six-man protections, then seven-man protections, eight-man protections. Let's talk about slide protections. Let's talk about quarterback movement, the boots, the nakeds, the keys. Let's talk about the quick reads."

But I go in and ask some quarterbacks, "Who makes the calls at the line of scrimmage?" and it's like, "Oh, the center does that." I'm thinking, the center? He's in a three-point stance and he's got some nose tackle in front of him. He's bent over and can't even see the safeties.


http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jan...annon-20120129

[9er guy]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

I think YOU are showing your knowlege.

The pistol is more than just a formation. It is a scheme run out of that formation.
Its the pistol OFFENSE.
And that offense exposes the QB more than any other.
Tell me I'm wrong.
And BTW. We ran the pistol long before Harbaugh or Kaep even thought about San Fran

And furthermore. It's not like the 9ers or Skins have to run the pistol to be effective. We gashed people out of traditional sets last year.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by 9er guy

Chris Ault created it in 2005 so I'm not sure how you were running it long before Harbs and co.

Chiefs ran some in 08.

[Eureka]

Rich won 5 games straight w the chiefs and looked good doing it!

Are the chiefs ever going to develop their own QB? Heck the Raiders are trying w pryor atleast. Here's to another year of retreads at QB for the chiefs.

[9er guy]

Originally Posted by BCD

Chiefs ran some in 08.

Thigpen?

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by Kaepernick

At least Rich Gannon understands the importance of superior QB development.


The way former NFL quarterback and most valuable player Rich Gannon sees it, the development of quarterbacks in the league is seriously lacking. Says Gannon:

I don't think we're doing a good enough job developing the quarterback position. Some teams do a much better job, with the Green Bay Packers being one of the best.

There are situations in the league where the quarterback is struggling, and you say, "Who's coaching him?" It's, "Well, it's the guy who was the receivers coach two years ago, but we elevated him to the quarterback coach." Well, did he ever play the position? No. Did he ever coach the position? No. And that's part of the problem.

I remember when I played in Kansas City in the off-season we had eight-page quarterback tests. First page would be an essay; second page: multiple choice; third page: fill in the blank; fourth, fifth, sixth pages would be protections, where you had to draw up a protection versus eight different fronts. Then there would be short-answer questions. Honestly, it was about a 45-minute test. It was unbelievable.

There was some peer pressure to get a good score, because there were other quarterbacks in that room, and you didn't want to be the one to miss five or six questions on that test. Second, it allowed the coach to know who knew what and who didn't know what. What were your areas of strength, and what were the areas where you needed more work?

Packers Coach Mike McCarthy coached the quarterbacks in Kansas City at the time, and he took those tests to another level.

The first question on one test: Describe in 250 words or less our version of the West Coast offense and the Kansas City Chiefs' philosophy as it relates to playing the quarterback position. That was the question.

Another of the questions was "Describe 24 and 25 Protection — solid seven-man protection — and draw it up against these eight different fronts."

I can go into some teams right now and I can ask the quarterback, "Tell me everything you know about protection." And you'd be blown away at the guys' responses, what they don't know. You'd be just stunned.

You'd think you could ask about everything they know about protections and the guy would say, "OK, let's talk about five-man protections, then six-man protections, then seven-man protections, eight-man protections. Let's talk about slide protections. Let's talk about quarterback movement, the boots, the nakeds, the keys. Let's talk about the quick reads."

But I go in and ask some quarterbacks, "Who makes the calls at the line of scrimmage?" and it's like, "Oh, the center does that." I'm thinking, the center? He's in a three-point stance and he's got some nose tackle in front of him. He's bent over and can't even see the safeties.


http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jan...annon-20120129

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[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by Eureka

Rich won 5 games straight w the chiefs and looked good doing it!

Are the chiefs ever going to develop their own QB? Heck the Raiders are trying w pryor atleast. Here's to another year of retreads at QB for the chiefs.

Tyler Bray makes Pryor look like a reeruned monkey.

[Kaepernick]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

Who gives a shit what the trend is.

When Mobile QBs start WINNING SBs over pocket passers
You let me know.

Aaron Rodgers had 64 rushing attempts in 2010 when he won the super bowl.

For some perspective, Colin Kaepernick had 63 rushing attempts last year.

So mobile QBs like Rodgers are winning super bowls over pocket passers. That or Kaepernick is a "pocket passer".

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by Kaepernick

Aaron Rodgers had 64 rushing attempts in 2010 when he won the super bowl.

For some perspective, Colin Kaepernick had 63 rushing attempts last year.

So mobile QBs like Rodgers are winning super bowls over pocket passers. That or Kaepernick is a "pocket passer".

Rodgers started 16 games and had 475 attempts.

Kaep? 218 attempts.

Fail......again. youre good at this.

[Kaepernick]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

I think YOU are showing your knowlege.

The pistol is more than just a formation. It is a scheme run out of that formation.
Its the pistol OFFENSE.
And that offense exposes the QB more than any other.
Tell me I'm wrong.
And BTW. We ran the pistol long before Harbaugh or Kaep even thought about San Fran

You are wrong. Pistol is just a formation, like the shotgun formation.


"The Pistol formation is a hybrid formation that utilizes strengths from both the Shotgun and single back (ace) formations.

"The "Pistol" formation was devised by Chris Ault at the University of Nevada and made its debut in the 2004 Wolf Pack football season. Ault was eager to find a way to run the football despite playing in the WAC conference (notorious for its passing offense). Ault wanted to utilize basic zone blocking techniques but wanted to get the ball to his running backs quicker with the running back accelerating towards the LOS.

"Ault realized that by placing the QB in the backfield the time needed for the quarterback to get to the RB was reduced. He did not, however, want to utilize a traditional shotgun look in which both the QB and RB were positioned 7 yards in the backfield because such a formation caused the play to develop slowly.

"The Coach also wanted his back running downhill when taking the snap and consequently positioned the QB directly in front of the back (QB 4 yards behind the LOS, RB 3 yards behind the quarterback). The result was the "Pistol" formation, shown below in a 4-wide spread formation that is very similar to a typical ace formation.




http://www.shakinthesouthland.com/20...rt-i-evolution