Covitz:Alex Smith will play entire first half of Sunday’s preseason game

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

He played football.......

.. but does he even lift, bro?

[Mav]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

.. but does he even lift, bro?

I dunno, but some how him playing football means that his opinion is absolute.

He wins.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

He played football.......

Black or white!

Pick!

NOW!

BLACK OR ****ING WHITE PICK NOW!

[Mav]

Originally Posted by Rausch

Black or white!

Pick!

NOW!

BLACK OR ****ING WHITE PICK NOW!

Black bro. White gets dirty too fast.

[dls6501]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

That's fine. Now we know you to be closed off to anything regarding Smith. Got it.

Wrong. I am not "closed off to anything regarding Smith." I simply choose not to acknowledge some of the excuses made for Alex as facts. You talk about going through progressions. There isnt a coach in the world, let alone offensive minded coaches like Harbaugh or Reid, that would make a longer, stretch play the first read of a progression. So to hang on the "Alex probably moved onto another progression before he broke open" excuse makes no sense. Zero.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by dls6501

Wrong. I am not "closed off to anything regarding Smith." I simply choose not to acknowledge some of the excuses made for Alex as facts. You talk about going through progressions. There isnt a coach in the world, let alone offensive minded coaches like Harbaugh or Reid, that would make a longer, stretch play the first read of a progression. So to hang on the "Alex probably moved onto another progression before he broke open" excuse makes no sense. Zero.

well then, you got it all figured out too! Awesome!

Replace Andy with dls6501 as HC immediately!!!!

[Mav]

Originally Posted by dls6501

Wrong. I am not "closed off to anything regarding Smith." I simply choose not to acknowledge some of the excuses made for Alex as facts. You talk about going through progressions. There isnt a coach in the world, let alone offensive minded coaches like Harbaugh or Reid, that would make a longer, stretch play the first read of a progression. So to hang on the "Alex probably moved onto another progression before he broke open" excuse makes no sense. Zero.

He makes a good point. He probably played kicker.

His insight to the philosophical beliefs of Andy Reid and harbaugh is stunning. I am deeply moved. He should write a book!

[temper11]

Originally Posted by dls6501

Wrong. I am not "closed off to anything regarding Smith." I simply choose not to acknowledge some of the excuses made for Alex as facts. You talk about going through progressions. There isnt a coach in the world, let alone offensive minded coaches like Harbaugh or Reid, that would make a longer, stretch play the first read of a progression. So to hang on the "Alex probably moved onto another progression before he broke open" excuse makes no sense. Zero.

I might be stating the obvious here... but if the long route is later in his progression, then isn't it possible that he is unloading to an open receiver before he gets to the longer route? West coast offense is built upon short, quick passing and moving the chains.

[temper11]

Originally Posted by dls6501

Wrong. I am not "closed off to anything regarding Smith." I simply choose not to acknowledge some of the excuses made for Alex as facts. You talk about going through progressions. There isnt a coach in the world, let alone offensive minded coaches like Harbaugh or Reid, that would make a longer, stretch play the first read of a progression. So to hang on the "Alex probably moved onto another progression before he broke open" excuse makes no sense. Zero.

Furthermore... I didn't play QB but I did play TE. Our QB's read progression was different for every play and didn't have much to do with short route to long. It had to do with that particular play and which receive they believed would break free based on what they believed the defense was going to be doing. That progression changed from game to game... sometimes it changed within the game. There isn't ONE way to set up a progression. You can guess from home based on what you see the QB's head doing, but often times the QB's head is facing one way, while his eyes are scanning somewhere else. You can't know for sure sitting on your couch.

[temper11]

Originally Posted by dls6501

I dont play Madden (or FF for that matter), so the Madden or fantasy football excuse doesnt fly with me like you and other Alex fans like to use as a crutch.

Yes, I am well aware that a QB has to go through progressions. I played football. I also find the whole "he goes through progressions and he may have moved on from the WR before he popped open" as an excuse as well. When you have WR's running longer routes, they are almost never the first read. More often than not, the progression goes middle route, long route, check down/short route (unless its a quick hitch or slant or something like that).

So for Alex to have "moved to another progression before the long route becomes open" is really nonsense. There are many examples every game where Alex is looking at an open receiver, and chooses the MORE open receiver for a minimal gain because it is a virtually risk free pass. My problem is, if Alex is as accurate as some claim, the pass attempt that he decided to pass up should NOT be deemed risky. Its not about "taking chances" as "Sandy Cheeks" says. Alex's overly cautious playing has trained you to think that.

I don't believe I said anything about Madden or Fantasy Football. Chicks dig the long ball, I get it. I just don't think any of us can know for certain if any given receiver was open at the point Smith got to him in his progression. It's been said many many times by multiple coaches in different organizations that Smith is the smartest QB you're going to find. You are free to bitch about the lack of risks he takes with the football if you want, but I'm in the crowd that trusts him to make the best decision for the football team. That's all. to each his own.

[RobBlake]

Originally Posted by dls6501

I dont play Madden (or FF for that matter), so the Madden or fantasy football excuse doesnt fly with me like you and other Alex fans like to use as a crutch.

Yes, I am well aware that a QB has to go through progressions. I played football. I also find the whole "he goes through progressions and he may have moved on from the WR before he popped open" as an excuse as well. When you have WR's running longer routes, they are almost never the first read. More often than not, the progression goes middle route, long route, check down/short route (unless its a quick hitch or slant or something like that).

So for Alex to have "moved to another progression before the long route becomes open" is really nonsense. There are many examples every game where Alex is looking at an open receiver, and chooses the MORE open receiver for a minimal gain because it is a virtually risk free pass. My problem is, if Alex is as accurate as some claim, the pass attempt that he decided to pass up should NOT be deemed risky. Its not about "taking chances" as "Sandy Cheeks" says. Alex's overly cautious playing has trained you to think that.

Game situation, player being thrown too, etc. Are the chiefs winning? are they losing? what down is it? what quarter is it?
How good is the Oline holding up? Where are the mismatches? What was the game plan?
So take the top 5 to 10 teams.. is EVERY QB doing what you are stating every single play? Does every single ply with the same style? how successful have they been?

[Mav]

The irony of this. The last game, actual game, he was everything that people are saying that he isn't. Carry on.

[dls6501]

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

The irony of this. The last game, actual game, he was everything that people are saying that he isn't. Carry on.

You can keep hanging on the last game all you want, but the fact of the matter is, the last game was not indicative of Alex's career. It is one example. It happens every blue moon.

The play that was posted as a gif in recent pages is actually one of the most impressive plays I have ever seen out of Alex. He avoids pressure by stepping up in the pocked....all while keeping his eyes downfield....and throws a perfect strike to a wide open Avery. Great play.

Unfortunately, this doesnt happen very often. Id say that you could count the number of times in his career he did this on one hand....but it would be more accurate to say that you could count them on a peace sign.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by dls6501

You can keep hanging on the last game all you want, but the fact of the matter is, the last game was not indicative of Alex's career. It is one example. It happens every blue moon.

The play that was posted as a gif in recent pages is actually one of the most impressive plays I have ever seen out of Alex. He avoids pressure by stepping up in the pocked....all while keeping his eyes downfield....and throws a perfect strike to a wide open Avery. Great play.

Unfortunately, this doesnt happen very often. Id say that you could count the number of times in his career he did this on one hand....but it would be more accurate to say that you could count them on a peace sign.

Lol. What ever you say champ. No one here had watched more alex Smith than I have. I admit readily that he had not been aggressive enough. I also didn't say that alex Smith would be more aggressive. I simply commented that his last actual game, he was very aggressive.

Nothing more, nothing less.

[Jakemall]

Originally Posted by dls6501

You can keep hanging on the last game all you want, but the fact of the matter is, the last game was not indicative of Alex's career. It is one example. It happens every blue moon.

The play that was posted as a gif in recent pages is actually one of the most impressive plays I have ever seen out of Alex. He avoids pressure by stepping up in the pocked....all while keeping his eyes downfield....and throws a perfect strike to a wide open Avery. Great play.

Unfortunately, this doesnt happen very often. Id say that you could count the number of times in his career he did this on one hand....but it would be more accurate to say that you could count them on a peace sign.

Alex's last 3 years isn't indicative of Alex's career...but you can make a strong argument that it's been an upward trend. 3 years is enough time to argue that his previous years don't matter anymore. Alex's last 6 games are also an upward trend.

So yeah you're right, the last game on its own means little...but there is trend behind it..and that has substance. We need to see more.