can we please stop talking about time of possession? Please?

[Buehler445]

Everyone is talking about time of possession. That is mind bogglingly stupid. Winning is about offensive and defensive efficiency. Scores and stops. It has nothing at all to do with time. If Mahomes scores in one play every possession that’s really efficient but won’t take up any time. Moreover if we take a 12 minute drive and fumble at the 2, that isn’t going to win any games but by god we’ll win the time of possession.

****ing pussies like Squirmin Herman Mother****ing Sack of **** Edwards talk about time of possession. Winners talk about scores and stops.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by kcclone

1. SF
2. Baltimore
3. New England
4. New Orleans
5. Philly
6. Tampa Bay
7. Houston
8. Jacksonville
9. Indy
10. Green Bay
11. Seattle
12. Minnesota
13. Chargers
14. Buffalo
15. Oakland
16. Detroit
17. Cleveland
18. Atlanta
19. Dallas
20. Tennessee
21. Pitt
22. KC
23. Carolina
24. Denver
25. Giants
26. Rams
27. Cinci
28. Chicago
29. Jets
30. Miami
31. Arizona
32. Washington


You notice any trends in there dummy?

So you admitted that it's correlation, not causal.

Then post up the TOP standings, which shows, again, that it is correlated. Which literally nobody in this ****ing thread is denying, especially me.

Then call me a dummy?

What the **** are you even arguing here dude?

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by kcclone

Only people who have never played football think TOP doesn't matter. Ask any coach in the sport.

It's not the number in and of itself that matters. But losing TOP consistently, means you don't control the tempo of the game. It indicates you can't run the ball or stop the other team.

Period

*We also dominated TOP against the Vikings and beat them with our 3rd string QB so you conveniently left that out.

That is because when running was a more integral part of the game, it mattered more.

Time of possession is one of the most overrated statistics there is. We had one of the best offenses of ALL TIME last year and were 27th in time of possession. It's about efficiency. When you score quickly with big strikes, you won't have a ton of time of possession.

Are you saying scoring quickly & efficiently is bad?

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by BWillie

That is because when running was a more integral part of the game, it mattered more.

Time of possession is one of the most overrated statistics there is. We had one of the best offenses of ALL TIME last year and were 27th in time of possession. It's about efficiency. When you score quickly with big strikes, you won't have a ton of time of possession.

Are you saying scoring quickly & efficiently is bad?

My point was TOP can be correlated to winning, but is not causal.

He says TOP is correlated to winning, but is not causal.

He also says I'm wrong.

[kcclone]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

So you admitted that it's correlation, not causal.

Then post up the TOP standings, which shows, again, that it is correlated. Which literally nobody in this ****ing thread is denying, especially me.

Then call me a dummy?

What the **** are you even arguing here dude?

I guess that's my point. You resurrected an old thread, to argue that no one should discuss TOP.

Not sure why.

Also, I shouldn't call you dummy, but for the record you called me stupid first. ha (and you've starred out like 20 cuss words, so you're obviously bothered by this topic).

It sounds like you believe what I believe which is that TOP is important, and should be discussed because it's so highly correlated to W/L.....

If that's the case, it actually makes you pretty smart

You should walk away from the board and try to relax. Just my $0.02

[Titty Meat]

This team needs to play more TOP the defense is awful

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by CatfishBob2

This team never ceases to amaze in the games we lose. Smdh

I haven't looked at all the numbers from last night's game, but the big stats all say we won that game. Scoring efficiency, yards, yards/drive, etc. blah blah blah, the Chiefs dominated the game.

But that's the thing about stats; they don't tell the whole story. They tell different discrete parts of the story.

So saying that TOP is a big factor in whether a team wins a game is never going to be 100% accurate. But neither is defensive stops and scores. If defensive stops and scores were really that big a deciding factor, Chip Kelly would still be a HC in the NFL.

Stats are like the compound eye of housefly. Each little lens is a window that sees its own tiny part of the world. TOP is one of those windows. So is defensive stops, another is scoring, and so on. But that's only three windows.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and that to get a more accurate picture statistically you're going to need at least a half a dozen more stat headings.

[MahiMike]

TOP = Turnovers.

I miss Marty's teams when we dominated the takeaways every single year cause they practiced it.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

That's a ****ing score, dude.

What wins these games is scores and stops. They did it better than us even though we won TOP, yet after Houston everyone was screaming WE SCORE TOO FAST CANNOT LOSE TOP.

It was horseshit then and it's horseshit now.

Coaches need to focus on the plays that prevent us from getting stops and **** up scores.

Not ****ing time of possession.

A fumble return for 6 is not a possession. It's a turn over for points. TO/P are NEVER counted as a possession, not anywhere by anyone.

We scored on 8 possessions.

They scored on 4 possessions.

The Chiefs defense forced them to punt four times.

The Chiefs defense forced a fumble/turnover on the Titans first drive, and a turnover on downs on their second-to-last drive.

From that perspective, based on the idea that stops and scores are a deciding factor in winning games, the Chiefs won that game. But they didn't.

Because stops and scores don't tell the whole story.

So endeth the lesson.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by kcclone

I guess that's my point. You resurrected an old thread, to argue that no one should discuss TOP.

Not sure why.

Also, I shouldn't call you dummy, but for the record you called me stupid first. ha (and you've starred out like 20 cuss words, so you're obviously bothered by this topic).

It sounds like you believe what I believe which is that TOP is important, and should be discussed because it's so highly correlated to W/L.....

If that's the case, it actually makes you pretty smart

You should walk away from the board and try to relax. Just my $0.02

I bumped this thread, because a whole thread full of ****ing mouthbreathers jumped down my throat because I said Reid shouldn't be worried about TOP. Well, we won TOP by 7 ****ing minutes, and wanted to point out that my original point of correlation not causation is clear here.

Then you jumped in, agreed with me, then said I was wrong.

As far as correlated but we should still discuss it, I don't give a flying **** about TOP. I care that the defense can't get off the field, and when the offense sputters or turns it over, that's what I care about. If that leads to winning TOP, cool, I guess. I just want to ****ing win. And running the ball like Squirmin Herman Mother****ing Sack of **** Edwards isn't the direction I want to go.

Anyway, I'm glad we agree.

[lcarus]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

Well no ****ing shit, Sherlock. Accordingly, it is correlated to winning, not causal.

But mother****ers around here were squealing like ****ing pigs about losing TOP in the Houston game, so guess what, we won TOP against Tennessee and still lost.

All I'm saying it is that it's reeruned to look at TOP and say TOP is why a team lost. **** that, it's about getting scrores and making stops. TOP is like completion percentage. Sure, the higher it is the better but it really doesn't truly affect winning.

For the billionth time, as it was against Houston, it's correlated. But correlation does not equal causation.

I'm agreeing with you. But I don't blame people for being upset at the Houston game when the defense couldn't get off the field to save their lives and it led to the offense only having 3 possessions in the 2nd half. It was the least TOP for a home team since the NFL began recording the stat. Obviously people are gonna bitch about it.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

A fumble return for 6 is not a possession. It's a turn over for points. TO/P are NEVER counted as a possession, not anywhere by anyone.

We scored on 8 possessions.

They scored on 4 possessions.

The Chiefs defense forced them to punt four times.

The Chiefs defense forced a fumble/turnover on the Titans first drive, and a turnover on downs on their second-to-last drive.

From that perspective, based on the idea that stops and scores are a deciding factor in winning games, the Chiefs won that game. But they didn't.

Because stops and scores don't tell the whole story.

So endeth the lesson.

The definition of a possession is exactly why TOP is ****ing reeruned.

The fumble by Williams had a real impact on the game because it took away the potential for a score by us (essentially gave them a stop) AND they scored.

That is the shit Reid should be working on, not ****ing Time of Possession.

**** stats, scores and stops.

That's the ****ing story.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by lcarus

I'm agreeing with you. But I don't blame people for being upset at the Houston game when the defense couldn't get off the field to save their lives and it led to the offense only having 3 possessions in the 2nd half. It was the least TOP for a home team since the NFL began recording the stat. Obviously people are gonna bitch about it.

OK, if dudes want to ****ing scream from the rooftops that the defense can't stop the run and it's a mother****ing problem, cool. I'll grab a bottle of water and join you on the rooftop.

But all these mongoloids blathering on about "BUT TIME OF POSSESSION - MY GOD MAN" are just ****ing wrong. And 150 posts in dudes still don't get it.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by MahiMike

TOP = Turnovers.

I miss Marty's teams when we dominated the takeaways every single year cause they practiced it.

Yes. TOP is generally a side effect of good football, such as long drives, defensive stops, and positive turnover ratio. TOP itself isn't what wins games.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by loochy

Yes. TOP is generally a side effect of good football, such as long drives, defensive stops, and positive turnover ratio. TOP itself isn't what wins games.

Don’t say that too loud. Dudes will come unglued on you. And say things like you obviously never played football.

[Beef Supreme]

Why the **** would you think starting a thread about time of possession is gonna stop people from talking about it?