The logic of drafting OT in the 1st.

[Dull Tools]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

I think Dirty Dan will be back. Limitations and all, they really seem to like him.

Needs will be OL, DE and WR in no particular order

Now Fisher is injured I think we need to get at least one veteran OL player next year.

We rely on the draft we could have a very inexperienced OL next year.

[Chris Meck]

One thing to keep in mind also-

In a second straight offseason of chaos due to covid, The Chiefs will be returning their entire coaching staff after a Super Bowl season, and schemes are very much set.

A lot of guys shoot up draft boards because they fit in any scheme. That doesn't necessarily mean they're MORE valuable to any specific scheme, and our schemes on both offense AND defense are VERY specific. This allows Veach to target specific sorts of skillsets to fit specific roles.

Couple that with Andy Reid's willingness and ability to tweak his scheme to make best use of available talent and I fully expect we're going to have another excellent draft while other less organized teams will struggle.

There are receivers, for example, that might fall as far as the end of the third that would be excellent fits for Sammy Watkins' role in this offense. Pass rushers that fit Spags' size and length preferences. Offensive linemen that aren't right for a power rushing scheme but are prototypical for Reid's. It's one of the benefits of doing things differently than everyone else.

And the continuity is very rare in a team that's in two straight Super Bowls.

[Chris Meck]

Take a guy like Nico Collins, WR Michigan. 6'4' 215 and scouting report says he'll likely be a better pro than college player. Might be there as late as the 4th. Attacks the football, huge catch radius, good straight line speed.

If you put him on the field with Hill and Kelce, a defense cannot double him. Mahomes can just back shoulder and jump ball this kid all day and there won't be much you can do about it.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Take a guy like Nico Collins, WR Michigan. 6'4' 215 and scouting report says he'll likely be a better pro than college player. Might be there as late as the 4th. Attacks the football, huge catch radius, good straight line speed.

If you put him on the field with Hill and Kelce, a defense cannot double him. Mahomes can just back shoulder and jump ball this kid all day and there won't be much you can do about it.

I agree with much of what you said in both posts in terms of value versus skill set and scheme fit. This piece on a big-bodied WR though doesn't really fit the Reid mold. I think if you were talking guys like Anthony Schwartz, Ihmir Smith-Marsette, Marquez Stevenson, and Dazz Newsome in that paragraph, I'd be much inclined to agree. Speedier, shiftier guys that can get uncovered in a hurry rather than the big-bodied jump-ball receivers are what he targets most consistently.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I agree with much of what you said in both posts in terms of value versus skill set and scheme fit. This piece on a big-bodied WR though doesn't really fit the Reid mold. I think if you were talking guys like Anthony Schwartz, Ihmir Smith-Marsette, Marquez Stevenson, and Dazz Newsome in that paragraph, I'd be much inclined to agree. Speedier, shiftier guys that can get uncovered in a hurry rather than the big-bodied jump-ball receivers are what he targets most consistently.

Smith-Marsette is an intriguing prospect. I've seen pretty much every snap he's ever taken and I'm always hesitant to rate Iowa guys too highly. But he's a twitchy player and he would definitely fit this offense. He's got experience running the ball too, which we love to do with speedy WR's.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I agree with much of what you said in both posts in terms of value versus skill set and scheme fit. This piece on a big-bodied WR though doesn't really fit the Reid mold. I think if you were talking guys like Anthony Schwartz, Ihmir Smith-Marsette, Marquez Stevenson, and Dazz Newsome in that paragraph, I'd be much inclined to agree. Speedier, shiftier guys that can get uncovered in a hurry rather than the big-bodied jump-ball receivers are what he targets most consistently.

Yes, except that we have two already.

A bigger body, more physical receiver that you still have to respect downfield (like Watkins when healthy) is the guy that creates the further matchup issue. A guy like Collins (doesn't have to be him, just a bigger, more physical receiver) would feast when teams roll coverage to Hill and Kelce. A bigger, physical receiver like that would be nearly impossible for a corner to effectively cover 1-on-1.

Mocks picking more Tyreek clones are missing the point, I think.

think of it as a bridge between Kelce and Hill.

[Chris Meck]

or, if you like, I also like Amari Rodgers; who while he's not tall, is a thicker body than say, a Hardman. It's a different body type, different skillset.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Yes, except that we have two already.

A bigger body, more physical receiver that you still have to respect downfield (like Watkins when healthy) is the guy that creates the further matchup issue. A guy like Collins (doesn't have to be him, just a bigger, more physical receiver) would feast when teams roll coverage to Hill and Kelce. A bigger, physical receiver like that would be nearly impossible for a corner to effectively cover 1-on-1.

Mocks picking more Tyreek clones are missing the point, I think.

think of it as a bridge between Kelce and Hill.

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

or, if you like, I also like Amari Rodgers; who while he's not tall, is a thicker body than say, a Hardman. It's a different body type, different skillset.

Most of those guys are 5'11" to 6'0" guys but yeah, I get it. The issue is you're likely not seeing a receiver over 6'1" 205 and 6'1" is more like round 6'0 x/8ths" up. If his bio reads 6'4" 215, then I'd probably cross him off the list. I'm not saying never but the chances are very, very slim. I'd probably not consider guys like Collins, Seth Williams, Sage Surratt, and Simi Fohoko to name a few. There's alot more receivers this year though that fit than don't, which is a good thing for KC.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Most of those guys are 5'11" to 6'0" guys but yeah, I get it. The issue is you're likely not seeing a receiver over 6'1" 205 and 6'1" is more like round 6'0 x/8ths" up. If his bio reads 6'4" 215, then I'd probably cross him off the list. I'm not saying never but the chances are very, very slim. I'd probably not consider guys like Collins, Seth Williams, Sage Surratt, and Simi Fohoko to name a few. There's alot more receivers this year though that fit than don't, which is a good thing for KC.

Agreed.

There are very few big WR’s that I could see this team drafting.

Bateman or Marshall maybe.

After that, there are very few. Though Austin Watkins, Sammy’s cousin, is a guy I could see the Chiefs loving in the middle rounds.

[duncan_idaho]

I think Marshall is going to measure in at 6-1.5/6-2. That's about as big a WR as I'd expect to see in KC.

Austin Watkins of UAB is a guy I like in the mid-rounds. He's in that size category, has good speed and snatchy hands, and he's got a pretty diverse route-running history. I could see him picking up responsibilities in this offense quicker than many.

crow makes a good point on KC's scheme. You look at some of those lean OTs like Dillon Radunz, and I can see KC rating them a lot higher than, say, Alex Leatherwood (whose Senior Bowl seems to impressing... the idea that he's a G, not a T, in the NFL).

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I think Marshall is going to measure in at 6-1.5/6-2. That's about as big a WR as I'd expect to see in KC.

Austin Watkins of UAB is a guy I like in the mid-rounds. He's in that size category, has good speed and snatchy hands, and he's got a pretty diverse route-running history. I could see him picking up responsibilities in this offense quicker than many.

crow makes a good point on KC's scheme. You look at some of those lean OTs like Dillon Radunz, and I can see KC rating them a lot higher than, say, Alex Leatherwood (whose Senior Bowl seems to impressing... the idea that he's a G, not a T, in the NFL).

I've thought that about Leatherwood for a while, honestly.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I've thought that about Leatherwood for a while, honestly.

Yeah, me too.

He’s just a little slow footed for LT. Could be a good RT in a power oriented system, I guess. But I don’t see him at T for KC.

[Chris Meck]

Watkins, Robinson, and Pringle are all 6-1 and between 203-210 pounds.

Watkins is the fastest of them, but I wouldn't consider any of them quick-twitch types like Tyreek and Hardman are.

We've also brought in some bigger bodied types than those 3 in the past, they just haven't stuck to this point.

I think Reid is interested in creating mismatches, and is always adding new wrinkles so I wouldn't be too hung up on specific heights and weights as being things we wouldn't take so much as what a person's skillset can add.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Watkins, Robinson, and Pringle are all 6-1 and between 203-210 pounds.

Watkins is the fastest of them, but I wouldn't consider any of them quick-twitch types like Tyreek and Hardman are.

We've also brought in some bigger bodied types than those 3 in the past, they just haven't stuck to this point.

I think Reid is interested in creating mismatches, and is always adding new wrinkles so I wouldn't be too hung up on specific heights and weights as being things we wouldn't take so much as what a person's skillset can add.

If I had to say anything its alot more about the 3-cone and change of direction ability/ability to snap off routes for this offense. Robinson is a 6.77 3-cone, Pringle is 6.87, Watkins 6.95, Hill 6.53, Hardman is 6.75. So, you can kind of see from that that all of them are relatively quick in terms of change of direction. As a rule, 6.80 to 7.0 is good and sub 6.8 is outstanding. Not a guy over 7.0 on the list of regular performers. Kemp and Dieter would be exceptions, well actually Kemp ran a 6.99 at his pro-day iirc, but anyhow we don't see them play anything but special teams.

Some idiot from The Draft Network wrote an article earlier this year trying to say receivers should stop running the drill, arguing it's not an important measurement for receivers. He'd be correct if you're looking at a straight-line, jump-ball receiver where I'd put much more emphasis on vertical, but we don't deploy those. It's one of the most important ones, and has long been considered the most important overall measurement in football.

If I'm looking at a Reid receiver, I'd be most interested in studying the guy's ability to snap routes at the top and his ability to change direction to create YAC in the open field. If he can do those, he's on the radar.

[CoMoChief]

I think they band-aid the LT position for 2021 season while Fisher rehabs.

How Fisher rehabs will ultimately dictate how the Chiefs proceed from there.

If his rehab goes well and he's back to full strength, then I believe the Chiefs will resign Fisher.

I dunno what to think about Schwartz. The msg board rumors about him retiring are just rumors. Could be true, we just don't know. He still has 1yr left on his deal and Sept 2021 is still 7mo away.

Either way, I think the Chiefs need to draft a OT. Niang sitting out this season kinda sucks.

Don't have to draft a OT in the 1st rd though. Tbh, I prefer BPA at 32.

Good thing about Mahomes, is that he can mask-over a lot of bad OL play.