The #Chiefs have agreed to terms with WR Richie James

[Mr_Tomahawk]

https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/sta...076715009?s=20

The #Chiefs have agreed to terms with WR Richie James, source says. After a breakout season with the #Giants (57 catches for 569 yards and 4 TDs), James becomes a target for Patrick Mahomes in Kansas City.

— Mike Garafolo (@MikeGarafolo) April 7, 2023

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by DenverChief

57 - JJSS
56 - OBJ/Kupp
55 - Antonio Brown/Mike Evans
54- Tyreek/Watkins
53 - Edelman
52 - Agholor/Jeffries
51 - Amendola/Edleman
50 - Emmanuel Sanders
49 - Amendola/Edelman
48 - Baldwin/Tate
47 - Boldin/Torrey Smith
46 - Victor Cruz/Hakeem Nicks *
45 - Jennings/Nelson
44 - Marques Colston/Lance Moore/Devery Henderson**

* one of those two - no name WRs

If we roll in with these guys and we get to the Bowl, they will have made a name for themselves.

I remember Colston. Mostly because I was absolutely ****ing devastated that this 7th round lanky **** is seemingly always the **** open.

Meanwhile, my 4-12 Chiefs managed to get 500 yards out of Dwayne Bowe. I wanted to stomp every fool out of existence that was saying we should tank for picks and build through the draft. Not with these sister ****ers running the show.

GOD I have to stop remembering what life was like in the decade of darkness.

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

If we roll in with these guys and we get to the Bowl, they will have made a name for themselves.

I remember Colston. Mostly because I was absolutely ****ing devastated that this 7th round lanky **** is seemingly always the **** open.

Meanwhile, my 4-12 Chiefs managed to get 500 yards out of Dwayne Bowe. I wanted to stomp every fool out of existence that was saying we should tank for picks and build through the draft. Not with these sister ****ers running the show.

GOD I have to stop remembering what life was like in the decade of darkness.

I don't even remember ever hearing their name....they had Jeremy Shockey at TE, Drew Brees and Reggie Bush but their WR corps was just a nobody crew

[TwistedChief]

Originally Posted by oldman

Hardman is going to make $4-4.5M this year, $3.58-4.08M of that guaranteed. I'm sure we won't pay James anywhere near that. My guess is that the Chiefs looked at Hardman's inability to run a consistent route and said "**** it". Then there's last year's injury. Who knows how soon that will pop up again. Veach plays 5D chess and the Jets, without a QB, struggle with checkers.

I’m disagreeing with your contention that this guy’s a successful signing if he has more than 297yds because that’s what Hardman had last year, as if that’s the expected baseline of a guy who was consistently getting 500-600yds even when playing behind Tyreek Hill.

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

My tatas are entirely calm. I just think household name is weird. Guys get to be known by production, and just because we have a young group doesn't mean they are inherently lesser, just means they haven't done it YET.

All I'm trying to say is that going into a SB it is rare for an all WR corps to not have one established WR that is "known" throughout the league. I had to look up Marques Colston and had no idea he had so many 1K seasons - probably because the Saints were never really that good.

[Hoover]

Is this the guy that was married to Madonna?

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by DenverChief

All I'm trying to say is that going into a SB it is rare for an all WR corps to not have one established WR that is "known" throughout the league. I had to look up Marques Colston and had no idea he had so many 1K seasons - probably because the Saints were never really that good.

I'm just saying if one or more of these guys starts putting up numbers and TD's, they'll be known before next February.

The flaw in your argument is the assumption that these guys were 'household names' BEFORE they started winning Super Bowls.

If Toney and Moore combine for 2k yards and a bunch of TD's, they'll be well known before February (especially since they scored TD's in the last SB).

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

I'm just saying if one or more of these guys starts putting up numbers and TD's, they'll be known before next February.

The flaw in your argument is the assumption that these guys were 'household names' BEFORE they started winning Super Bowls.

If Toney and Moore combine for 2k yards and a bunch of TD's, they'll be well known before February (especially since they scored TD's in the last SB).

I think the flaw in your argument is I’m not making an argument. Just an observation lol

[Skyy God]

We’ve lost 3 quality receivers and signed 1.

Probs drafting one high, one developmental later round pick, and bringing back JWat.

[Why Not?]

Originally Posted by Hoover

Is this the guy that was married to Madonna?

Probably. That’s several guys.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by DenverChief

I think the flaw in your argument is I’m not making an argument. Just an observation lol

Ok, then.

I think the flaw in your observation is that putting up numbers and winning championships is what makes WR's into household names.

And if these guys put up serious numbers, they'll win another SB and will be household names before February as they'll be the talk of the sports talk world long before then.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

I’m disagreeing with your contention that this guy’s a successful signing if he has more than 297yds because that’s what Hardman had last year, as if that’s the expected baseline of a guy who was consistently getting 500-600yds even when playing behind Tyreek Hill.

Well, if he has much more than that, it would mean that Toney or Moore were either injured a lot or flopped.

Just saying.

I would think he's WR4 at the moment.

[BWillie]

Does this guy attend rap concerts? That will be key

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by unBelizable

We’ve lost 3 quality receivers and signed 1.

Probs drafting one high, one developmental later round pick, and bringing back JWat.

Hardman was lost in the middle of last season and replaced by Toney (upgrade).

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

You really can't apply probabilities/statistics to football players as if they were inaninmate objects. Literally EVERYTHING is a variable that can't be accounted for.

Young players without past production can't be predicted with math that doesn't exist.

Players moving from one team to a new one is entirely new situation across the board.

Moving from Daniel Jones to Patrick Mahomes, for example. Big difference.

James having three seasons in San Fran that were unproductive aren't really relevant. Rookie year plus two years with revolving QB's and Samuel and Aiyuk in front of him.

Context is almost everything in the NFL. This is a big part of why 'sure fire first rounders' don't always become stars. Sometimes it's on them, sometimes it's the situation/coaching staff/team, etc.

You can't just put it in a math blender like it's straight science, because it's not. Or it could be, if you could figure out how to put numbers on Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes and the championship organization effects.

So much like last year, with trying to project Juju, the best way is to assume they'll be somewhere in the ballpark of their best year as long as they are young and healthy enough not to be on the decline physically.

Barring injury, I think Andy Reid is going to get an offensive player's best football as long as they are still in their physical prime. The wild card in there is how well they can digest a very complicated scheme.

and in James' case, he's got a head start after a season with Kafka (and we saw Toney able to contribute more early than expected-certainly because of that).

So I would estimate that if James were to get enough targets here, he would meet or exceed last year's due to an improvement at every parameter around him.

So that's my argument.

Also-I don't think he necessarily will get those targets unless Toney or Skyy misses a lot of time. But it's nice to know that your WR4 is capable.

The context suggests that Richie will probably do better than he did a couple seasons ago and not quite as well as last season. Historically in the NFL, when inexperienced, non-elite players switch teams they go through a learning period which usually translates into a little bit of a fallback in production.

Then, there's the nearly immutable fact that most young/inexperienced WRs do not exceed expectations in their first year with Andy and his playbook. Which means that they aren't going to be on the field during 2-minute or hurry-up situations. So he's not going to get as many reps as he did last season most likely.

And then there's the fact that he isn't much more than an average WR athlete. He's not blessed with exceptional quickness or speed. and then there's the simple fact that he's a smallish WR at 5'9" and 185lbs, so small catch radius and will have trouble vs. aggressive press coverage. He looks like a basic between-the-numbers 5-10 yards/target WR, which is the cornerstone of Daboll's offense, so of course his numbers went up a bit from his previous seasons. Well, that and the fact that NYG literally had no WRs last season so they had to throw to anyone in a blue jersey.

Which is why, when I eliminate wishful thinking, I see him as a depth player that probably won't go over his current career-high of 569 yards. If Skyy needs a blow on the sidelines, this guy probably sees some snaps.

The only other way I see him getting significant reps is if Toney gets hurt, or Skyy just can't figure out how to find the soft spots in zones.

But we need healthy role players, which is a somewhat rare commodity in our building, so decent signing.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

I think they're gonna use him as what Justin Watson was supposed to be before injuries gave him more reps. He probably will be the 4th WR and if we do have injuries or underperformers, then we know he can be an actual option, unlike Justin Dropson.

Justin Watson is 6'2" 215 lbs 4.42sec

Richie James is 5'9" 185 lbs, 4.59sec

They aren't even the same type of athlete, much less the same role on the offense. Try again.