Chiefs Geno Smith vs Alex Smith - It's on. - Page 111

Hammock Parties · 02:56 AM

It's on now. Geno Smith is probably going to be starting for the Jets this season.

Alex Smith will be the Chiefs QB for the forseeable future. If he's a success, we'll probably get five good years out of him.

So who's gonna win more NFL games over that time period?

Put your ten pounders on the table and make a vote

Alex: 11 wins
Geno: 8 wins

Kaepernick · 08-25-2013, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Aikman not elite? You are a ****ing idiot.

The greater point I was a making was that super bowl winners had elite QBs or nearly elite QBs. Game managers don't get it done. Whether Aikman was elite (top 4) or just nearly elite (top 6-8) doesn't really matter.

The greater point is that 15th-20th ranked QBs don't win super bowls and Alex is a 15th-20th ranked QB.

16 of the past 20 super bowl victors had either an elite QB or one nearly elite. That is the point.

**RealSNR** · 08-25-2013, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Geno Smith should have went 1.1 but he needs time to grow and a team around him so he can become a less than average QB.

Like Alex Smith you mean?

That's what we're comparing right now. Is Alex Smith a less than average QB?

Sandy Vagina · 08-25-2013, 01:03 PM

Has anyone ever researched these SB winning QBs, and how consistent their schemes/coaching has been? Or how stacked each team was at the time of their SB win?

I haven't... too lazy.. but it might be a good exercise. I know Drew Brees and Sean Peyton clicked right away.. but how bout most others?

I think most QBs would need consistent scheme with competent coaches to reach their ceilings..

I don't know... just yapping..

Kaepernick · 08-25-2013, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX

People said the same thing about Rich Gannon in Minnesota. Just saying...

Anything is possible. Good luck with that.

Rich Gannon's weakness was that he was a died-in-the-wool perfectionist. He was very hard on himself.

Alex's weakness is that he is risk averse, which prevents him from attacking and going for the jugular.

I don't see Alex overcoming that cautious nature that prevents him generally from taking the appropriate risk for the appropriate reward at the critical time. If Andy can fix that, there is nothing else in his mental and physical skill sets from preventing Alex from being a top 10 QB.

I've long said that if Alex Smith had Aaron Rodgers's attacking mindset and appetite for the appropriate risk at the critical moment, then Alex would be a top 10 QB.

Caution is the key weakness keeping Alex in the middle tier of all NFL QBs. If he can be fixed to not be so risk averse, then you have your top 10 QB.

Frankly, I don't believe this can ever be fixed and it is not coach-able.

**RealSNR** · 08-25-2013, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

Has anyone ever researched these SB winning QBs, and how consistent their schemes/coaching has been? Or how stacked each team was at the time of their SB win?

I haven't... too lazy.. but it might be a good exercise. I know Drew Brees and Sean Peyton clicked right away.. but how bout most others?

I think most QBs would need consistent scheme with competent coaches to reach their ceilings..

I don't know... just yapping..

Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer clicked instantly. So we can do it, too!

Setsuna · 08-25-2013, 01:08 PM

I'll admit Geno's game wasn't good. But those are growing pains. And the game will slow down for him eventually then we'll see how he does.

Kaepernick · 08-25-2013, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

Has anyone ever researched these SB winning QBs, and how consistent their schemes/coaching has been? Or how stacked each team was at the time of their SB win?

I haven't... too lazy.. but it might be a good exercise. I know Drew Brees and Sean Peyton clicked right away.. but how bout most others?

I think most QBs would need consistent scheme with competent coaches to reach their ceilings..

I don't know... just yapping..

All super bowl wining teams have been "stacked". No super bowl winning team has been unbalanced on offense and defense. It used to be that defense was the greater part. Now offense is the greater part. But all Super Bowl winning teams have been "stacked".

You can't get through the playoffs with weaknesses in any aspect of your team. Not possible.

Hammock Parties · 08-25-2013, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Clayton Bibsby

I'll admit Geno's game wasn't good. But those are growing pains. And the game will slow down for him eventually then we'll see how he does.

No one can sit here and say it was good.

But people are glossing over the positives, like the fact he led two TD drives. With his arm.

**Dylan** · 08-25-2013, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaepernick

Welp, time to post the list again.

Joe Flacco - Near Elite
Eli Manning - Near Elite
Aaron Rodgers - Elite
Drew Brees - Elite
Ben Roethlisberger -Near Elite
Eli Manning - Near Elite
Peyton Manning - Elite
Ben Roethlisberger -Near Elite
Tom Brady - Elite
Tom Brady - Elite
Brad Johnson - Above average
Tom Brady - Elite
Trent Dilfer - Game Manager
Kurt Warner - Elite
John Elway - Elite
John Elway - Elite
Brett Farve - Elite
Troy Aikman - Elite
Steve Young - Elite
Troy Aikman - Elite
Troy Aikman - Elite
Mark Rypien - Above average
Jeff Hostetler - Game Manager
Joe Montana - Elite
Joe Montana - Elite

Keep telling yourself that. Let me know if the 49ers win two Super Bowls in four years in your lifetime.

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With Super Bowl XLVII on the line - Kaepernick was cool for most of the drive, with the 49ers in position to win. On second and goal, Kaepernick had a lot of time, rolled right, and couldn't complete a tight pass to Crabtree. On third and goal from the 5-yard line, the 49ers tried a quick flare route to Crabtree, it fell incomplete. Then the 49ers tried a fade route to Crabtree on fourth down, and Kapernick overthrew him. He just couldn't finish the drive in a storybook way, like Montana did in Super Bowl so many years ago.

"I just feel like we (were) the better team. They got away with one today. We showed we were the better team. It was just a couple plays here, a couple plays there.
-- Niners running back Frank Gore on San Francisco's Super Bowl XLVII loss

"I was so hurt, knowing we were the better team. I had a chance to go to the Pro Bowl and I couldn’t even go because I was so hurt. Knowing that we were the better team but we didn’t finish."
-- Niners running back Frank Gore on San Francisco's NFC Championship loss to the New York Giants

"Who's got it better than us?" Noooooo......"

**BigMeatballDave** · 08-25-2013, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Aikman not elite?

Highly debatable.

Solid game manager. Those Cowboys teams were loaded.

Kaepernick · 08-25-2013, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylan

Keep telling yourself that. Let me know if the 49ers win two Super Bowls in four years in your lifetime.

"I just feel like we (were) the better team. They got away with one today. We showed we were the better team. It was just a couple plays here, a couple plays there.
-- Niners running back Frank Gore on San Francisco's Super Bowl XLVII loss

"I was so hurt, knowing we were the better team. I had a chance to go to the Pro Bowl and I couldn’t even go because I was so hurt. Knowing that we were the better team but we didn’t finish."
-- Niners running back Frank Gore on San Francisco's NFC Championship loss to the New York Giants

"Who's got it better than us?" Noooooo......"

Honestly, I have no clue what your point is. None.

My point is that this year's super bowl winner will come from the ranks of teams with elite/near elite QBs. No team with a game manager will be winning the super bowl this year.

My Chiefs related point is that Alex will never be on a super bowl winning team. He is not elite or near elite and he never will be.

I have no clue what your point was.

**Dylan** · 08-25-2013, 01:19 PM

[QUOTE=Kaepernick;9914461]Honestly, I have no clue what your point was. None.

My point was that this year's super bowl winner will come from the ranks of teams with elite/near elite QBs. No team with a game manager will be winning the super bowl this eyar.

I have no clue what your point was.[/QUOTE]

Stupid can't be helped, Kaepernick.

Keep building your hopes on a running quarterback - As fine china they break.

History has shown that you can pretty much count on those running quarterbacks to miss games with injuries.

Rasputin · 08-25-2013, 01:19 PM

Eli Manning wasn't NFL ready week one or pretty much year one. I remember him throwing 4 INTs against the Vikes that year. The difference is that Eli had solid foundation and support system. Geno may not have that with Rex Ryan as HC and also may have a mental breakdown before it's all over. Geno Smith still has a chance to get things going in the right direction. I'm not worried if he does or not, it is entertaining to watch Rex Ryan handle this and watch him make a fool out of himself on stage. If Geno bust then good the Jets deserve him. If Geno Smith doesn't bust he had the odds against him.

ChiefsCountry · 08-25-2013, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TrueFanDave

Highly debatable.

Solid game manager. Those Cowboys teams were loaded.

Guess Len Dawson wasn't elite then.

Sandy Vagina · 08-25-2013, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaepernick

My Chiefs related point is that Alex will never be on a super bowl winning team. He is not elite or near elite and he never will be.

Your absolutes really say a lot about why you are here. To hate a former player of your team so much as to follow him to the forum that he's traded to just to talk shit absolutes about him? Man.. you got the hate bad for that.

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Dylan The Lede Join Date: Aug 2007 Casino cash: $10016591	[QUOTE=Kaepernick;9914461]Honestly, I have no clue what your point was. None. My point was that this year's super bowl winner will come from the ranks of teams with elite/near elite QBs. No team with a game manager will be winning the super bowl this eyar. I have no clue what your point was.[/QUOTE] Stupid can't be helped, Kaepernick. Keep building your hopes on a running quarterback - As fine china they break. History has shown that you can pretty much count on those running quarterbacks to miss games with injuries. __________________
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Rasputin Tip of the hat LIV Champs Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: ks Casino cash: $65421	Eli Manning wasn't NFL ready week one or pretty much year one. I remember him throwing 4 INTs against the Vikes that year. The difference is that Eli had solid foundation and support system. Geno may not have that with Rex Ryan as HC and also may have a mental breakdown before it's all over. Geno Smith still has a chance to get things going in the right direction. I'm not worried if he does or not, it is entertaining to watch Rex Ryan handle this and watch him make a fool out of himself on stage. If Geno bust then good the Jets deserve him. If Geno Smith doesn't bust he had the odds against him. __________________ "Those who don't believe in magic will never find it"
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