Alex Smith did, does, and will always suck.

[Hammock Parties]

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

I see you acknowledge the TRUE power of the QB position now...

The only thing San Fran has produced more of is Tight Ends.

[9er guy]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

The only thing San Fran has produced more of is Tight Ends.

I would make a joke out of Missouri but God beat me to it.

[9er guy]

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

Mac.......Why even bother?

I don't mind Kaepernick nearly as much as I used to. But, they are all that way. They blamed Alex for the offense in 2011, and then blamed the DEFENSE for losing the Super Bowl.

You should have an understanding of how this works. If the 49ers struggle this year, the receivers are going to get the blame. That was not a valid excuse for Alex Smith though, but will be for Kaep.

Or they will blame the defense. Its just the reversed now.

Here is my favorite. Alex Smith went 1/13 on 3rd down in the NFCCG with GARBAGE at receiver. You mention that fact, Alexcuse.

Kaepernick played like crap in the first half of the Super Bowl. "The defense sucked. Aldon Smith, and Justin Smith were hurt, Culliver sucked, Whitner sucked."

See the difference?

Alex was 1-7 throwing the ball further than 11 yards downfield. Aka He's throwing short of the sticks in typical Alex fashion.

I just think NYG had our passing game figured out. Alex is gonna throw to a spot and he struggles throwing guys open. Play the spot and make him beat you over the top. They did it in that game and they did it in the regular season rematch in 2012 where Alex threw 3 picks.

There were a couple instances in both of those games where guys got open downfield only to be overthrown. Save the TD's to Vernon of course.

You shouldn't need a core of all-pro wideouts just to get a first down.

As for the Super Bowl. Let's just call a spade a spade. The whole team played like shit the first half. The offense was stagnant, and that was probably the WORST defense I've seen in the Harbaugh era.

Free runners, guys giving up on plays. Jumping over downed receivers instead of tackling them, and that's just Chris Culliver.

I'm not a fan of any particular player. I'm a 9ers fan. And I call it how I see it.

Both games, both quarterbacks could have played better. And the fact that other position groups weren't 100% on point doesn't absolve either one of these guys of their responsibility to make plays.

It's not about making Kaep look good or Alex look bad. It's just the truth.

I will say this though. With Kaep, you're not sitting around hoping he's gonna make a play, it's just a matter of when.

And I think we saw that in Atlanta as well as the Super Sowl. He may start slow (Which I think is indicative of the Harbaugh/Roman offense) but he will make plays. With Alex, he may, he may not.

[9er guy]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

I just noticed that Smith and Kaep had the exact same number of attempts last season.

In 218 attempt:

Smith: 1,737yds 70.2% 7.97ypa 13td 5ints
Kaep: 1,814yds 62.4% 8.30ypa 10tds 3ints

But we're ignoring context. One guy is a former #1 overall pick with almost 10 years of experience.

The other guy is a 2nd rounder that hadn't even played until last season and is still learning the position.

Even in a vacuum I would say advantage Kaep.

[Jakemall]

Originally Posted by aturdis

I'm Just going to quote a post of mine from a few months back to discredit his completion percentage and QB rating. Enjoy.


You're joking right? Try looking at it like this.*A basketball player who almost exclusively shoots layups is going to have a better fg% and therefore points per attempt, than a player who shoots around the field, solely b/c player1 only takes high percentage shots. Not only that, but his shot attempts is lower b/c the layup isn't always there.*Meanwhile, player2 scores more points per game, and overall, b/c he takes lower percentage shots, and sometimes forces a shot b/c his team needs him to. Therefore, he has more misses making his ppa go down.Player2 though, has carried his team to big wins and has hit multiple game winners b/c he isn't afraid to try.Down 3 with seconds left. Who do you want taking the final shot to push for OT? The guy who has spent his season taking layups, or the guy with a lower ppa, b/c he's been carrying the team and doing what he had to in order to win.

If all Alex can do is "Lay Ups" defenses would cheat up and cover the short game and take it away from him. They don't seem to be able to do that. Now if you're going to suggest that other QBs could do what Alex does as effectively as Alex does because they're better QBs...then my question to you is, if defenses can't stop Alex's "Lay ups" why isn't every qb trying to be an improved version of Alex, since it wins games?

[Mav]

Originally Posted by 9er guy

But we're ignoring context. One guy is a former #1 overall pick with almost 10 years of experience.

The other guy is a 2nd rounder that hadn't even played until last season and is still learning the position.

Even in a vacuum I would say advantage Kaep.

So I don't have to copy your previous post, ill just quote this one.

Im not debating Alex Vs Kaep. As soon as people understand this isn't Alex Vs Kaep the better off people will be.

Alex Smith didn't turn the ball over. Kaep did. Kaeps turnover in the super bowl led to what was already a horrible half for the entire 49ers team.

The difference is. You can say that it was an entire team thing. Just like the Vikings game last season. The entire team played terribly all game. Christian Ponder looked like Mike Vick. But, all I heard was how badly Alex Smith played.

Fast forward to the Giants 49ers game, same season. Same thing. The entire team played horribly, but it was Alex Smith everyone blamed.

That's the difference. Players have bad games, bad halves. The difference is, people judge Alex Smith on a different level than anyone else.

That's just truth. And come on. If you factor in EVERYTHING with the NFCCG, and can objectively say that the receiving corps didn't factor into it, then I don't want to hear ANY excuses for Kaepernick.

The Giants moved the ball at WILL in the first half of the NFCCG. Carlos Rogers was Victor Cruz's bitch. Still, Alex Smith did nothing to make the game worse. he didn't turn it over, and gave the 49ers the chance to win twice in that game, and turnovers hurt him. But, he is still blamed for 1/13.

But people make excuses for Kaep.

2/9 on 3rd down conversions in the super bowl........

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by 9er guy

But we're ignoring context. One guy is a former #1 overall pick with almost 10 years of experience.

The other guy is a 2nd rounder that hadn't even played until last season and is still learning the position.

Even in a vacuum I would say advantage Kaep.

Oh, I give the advantage to Kaep.

What Im saying is that those are not the #s of a QB who sucks. Far from it.

I will also say this too. Kaep has been running an offense that is fairly new to the NFL, and it exposes the QB. Ds are going to catch up, Kaep is gonna take a ton of hits if he stays on pace to run the ball 130 times a season, and you also have your SB loss hangover looming.
The fact that you have come to our board and constantly sucked off your super douche QB, I cant say Im not going to enjoy watching the 9ers disappoint all their ass pirate fans.

[9er guy]

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

So I don't have to copy your previous post, ill just quote this one.

Im not debating Alex Vs Kaep. As soon as people understand this isn't Alex Vs Kaep the better off people will be.

Alex Smith didn't turn the ball over. Kaep did. Kaeps turnover in the super bowl led to what was already a horrible half for the entire 49ers team.

The difference is. You can say that it was an entire team thing. Just like the Vikings game last season. The entire team played terribly all game. Christian Ponder looked like Mike Vick. But, all I heard was how badly Alex Smith played.

Fast forward to the Giants 49ers game, same season. Same thing. The entire team played horribly, but it was Alex Smith everyone blamed.

That's the difference. Players have bad games, bad halves. The difference is, people judge Alex Smith on a different level than anyone else.

That's just truth. And come on. If you factor in EVERYTHING with the NFCCG, and can objectively say that the receiving corps didn't factor into it, then I don't want to hear ANY excuses for Kaepernick.

The Giants moved the ball at WILL in the first half of the NFCCG. Carlos Rogers was Victor Cruz's bitch. Still, Alex Smith did nothing to make the game worse. he didn't turn it over, and gave the 49ers the chance to win twice in that game, and turnovers hurt him. But, he is still blamed for 1/13.

But people make excuses for Kaep.

2/9 on 3rd down conversions in the super bowl........

First of all, let's clarify: It's not like Kaep is turnover prone. He made a high throw and it got picked. It didn't lead to points and it was already 14-3. Not the worst thing in the world.

People make excuses for ANY player they like. That's nothing new.

Quarterbacks get all the blame and all the credit. Also nothing new.

The Giants may have moved the ball effectively but the name of the game is points, not yards. I'll take holding a team to 10 points a half no matter how many yards they're gaining.

Did the WR core factor into the Ginats loss? Okay fine, I'll concede that.

But I will say that TWICE KW got behind the defense only to be overthrown in that game. As a QB you have to hit those chances when you get them. ESPECIALLY if you're WR core is struggling.

You're the Quarterback, you're the guy with the amazing QB rating and the off the charts Comp pct. Make a play. Throw a guy open.

Hit a guy further than 7 yards downfield when he does get open.

Again, it's not about just not screwing it up or making the game worse, it's about making plays.

[9er guy]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

Oh, I give the advantage to Kaep.

What Im saying is that those are not the #s of a QB who sucks. Far from it.

I will also say this too. Kaep has been running an offense that is fairly new to the NFL, and it exposes the QB. Ds are going to catch up, Kaep is gonna take a ton of hits if he stays on pace to run the ball 130 times a season, and you also have your SB loss hangover looming.
The fact that you have come to our board and constantly sucked off your super douche QB, I cant say Im not going to enjoy watching the 9ers disappoint all their ass pirate fans.

Whoa Whoa whoa. I've been a solid poster on a variety of topics. I'm not here to suck anything. I think we can all agree the kids a BEAST.

It's not like that's the only formation we run. Kaep still has a live arm, it's not like he has to run to be effective. He's not Tebow.

Are you gonna sit there and say Kaep hasn't improved from traditional sets? You think the pistol is the only thing we practice?

That's the thing, everybody's talking about the pistol. We GASHED teams from traditional sets last year.

You really think he's going to run the ball 130 times this year?

You've still got visions of Todd Haley in your head.

For what it's worth I do hope the Chiefs have a good season.

But let's be honest, you'd give your left nut just to be in a position to have a super bowl hangover.

[beach tribe]

Look 9er fan and his BF are celebrating a Kaep scramble.
Perfect QB for that fanbase.

[9er guy]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

Look 9er fan and his BF are celebrating a Kaep scramble.
Perfect QB for that fanbase.

WoW. Ok. Gay people live in San Francisco. We get it.

But again let's be honest. You're jealous because they actually have something to celebrate.

Edit: I think that was the TD run by LMJ they were celebrating. Kaep had 1 scramble in that game. Killed ATL with his arm. Keep thinking he's a one-trick pony.

[beach tribe]

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by 9er guy

WoW. Ok. San Fran fans are gay.

But again let's be honest. You're jealous because they actually have something to celebrate.

Edit: I think that was the TD run by LMJ they were celebrating. Kaep had 1 scramble in that game. Killed ATL with his arm. Keep thinking he's a one-trick pony.

You know because you were there.

FYP BTW

[9er guy]

This is getting pretty weak dude....

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by 9er guy

Whoa Whoa whoa. I've been a solid poster on a variety of topics. I'm not here to suck anything. I think we can all agree the kids a BEAST.

It's not like that's the only formation we run. Kaep still has a live arm, it's not like he has to run to be effective. He's not Tebow.

Are you gonna sit there and say Kaep hasn't improved from traditional sets? You think the pistol is the only thing we practice?

That's the thing, everybody's talking about the pistol. We GASHED teams from traditional sets last year.

You really think he's going to run the ball 130 times this year?

You've still got visions of Todd Haley in your head.

For what it's worth I do hope the Chiefs have a good season.

But let's be honest, you'd give your left nut just to be in a position to have a super bowl hangover.

#1 He ran the ball 64 times in 7 games, so yeah, I think hes gonna keep doing what works...until he gets killed.
#2 No I do not envy the SB hangover