***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by Donger

Have you not heard of Dr. Birx?

Yes, another white house diplomat and very bright. why?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by jdubya

All I am suggesting is that it is possible he could use some help from the private sector and elsewhere. (hopefully he is and we just dont see it). I havent lost faith in him but he has made a couple of concerning remarks regarding public policy and the economy that makes me flinch a bit and he may be swerving out of his lane at times...so to speak.

Are you following the news, like, at all? There are a dozen pharmaceutical labs or more working on a vaccine. There are plenty of medical professionals working to find a solution.

Dr. Fauci is there to provide counsel to the POTUS and any other nation dealing with this crisis. His advice is working. Quarantines are working.

[penguinz]

Originally Posted by jdubya

I never said he is not. I suggested he share his lead role. To be fair Dr. Fauci cut his teeth on the AIDS virus as a young up and coming 30 year old and was cutting edge. He is now in his 70`s and has sat comfortably in the arms of the NIH and served multiple presidents. All I am suggesting is that it is possible he could use some help from the private sector and elsewhere. (hopefully he is and we just dont see it). I havent lost faith in him but he has made a couple of concerning remarks regarding public policy and the economy that makes me flinch a bit and he may be swerving out of his lane at times...so to speak.

I am 100% confident in saying you are out of your lane in your judgment of Fauci and anything he has said about this virus.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by jdubya

Yes, another white house diplomat and very bright. why?

Why? Because you said this:

I suggested he share his lead role.

He is. She's a doctor.

[jdubya]

Sorry to some of you wound up tight. Many show their fear in different ways. I was simply suggesting that Fauci may need to surround himself with a few others from the private sector to get more ideas outside of the box. My apologies if that wasnt clear. I never called him or Birx ignorant or incompetent...I merely suggested they may need additional help. 2 or 3 of you sure enjoy lashing out at the messenger.

[Donger]

All states have updated:

25,193 new cases. 1,159 new deaths.

Here's hoping they don't increase much more today.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Originally Posted by Donger

All states have updated:

25,193 new cases. 1,159 new deaths.

Here's hoping they don't increase much more today.

This numbers haven’t deviated much over the last few days...


Cautiously hopeful.

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by penguinz

I am 100% confident in saying you are out of your lane in your judgment of Fauci and anything he has said about this virus.

So you are all in on Dr. Faucis statement that essentially said," Ten million jobs lost is just an inconvenience but we just have to do it....."??? Really? You dont question any of that? He followed that up with we will likely need to SIP until we have a vaccine which could be another year. Is Dr. Fauci suddenly a renowned economist too?

I guess I understand folks need something to cling to regarding hope and if Fauci is your guy, go with it. Im just a bit nervous with some of his statements

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Donger

But on Sunday Dr Anthony Fauci, the nation’s top doctor on infectious diseases and a key member of the White House task force, was adamant there was nothing to suggest the medicine had any benefit against coronavirus.

“In terms of science, I don’t think we can definitively say it works,” he told CBS’s Face the Nation.

“The data are really just at best suggestive. There have been cases that show there may be an effect and there are others to show there’s no effect.”

On 21 March, the day after another nationally-televised Trump claim that the drug “looked promising”, Fauci was asked directly if it could be used to treat Covid-19.

“The answer is no,” he said.

the president has no business pushing an unproven drug from the White House podium. It’s dangerous. People, dumbasses but still human beings, have already died trying to get this “miracle drug” into them. Pushing people to give their doctors and gave them write prescriptions as a preventive dose has not been proven to work.

Totally different if your going to be dead soon. Why not try anything at that point. But, that’s not what’s being advocated for from the White House podium.

[eDave]

Originally Posted by jdubya

So you are all in on Dr. Faucis statement that essentially said," Ten million jobs lost is just an inconvenience but we just have to do it....."??? Really? You dont question any of that? He followed that up with we will likely need to SIP until we have a vaccine which could be another year. Is Dr. Fauci suddenly a renowned economist too?

I guess I understand folks need something to cling to regarding hope and if Fauci is your guy, go with it. Im just a bit nervous with some of his statements

We all know why you are pulling this bullshit. Keep it out of here.

[DanT]

Originally Posted by stevieray

Cmon, ya'll..please don't fight over this. I was only responding to BCD and the anstyness(lol) some are feeling out there, because I can relate.

I appreciate all the sentiments, and I'm a pretty positive guy....you have to be to be in my line of work...so I appreciate the encouragement. If I wasn't tad bit nervous, something would be off.

But don't take that wrong . I'm extremely grateful that I've even made it this far. I chased the American dream, and I kicked its ass. I took a God given talent, brought joy to others with that talent,.supported a family and allowed my wife to be a stay at home mom. I've had INCREDIBLE opportunities and experiences, meeting some absolutely downright amazing people. I have no regrets. This was the path I chose and I've been greatly rewarded.

That said, it kicked my ass too. Sleepness nights in the beginning, wondering where the next job would come from, with the weight of Jupiter of fear of letting my young family down. barely getting through..taking deposits and paying bills before a brush hit the wall. And of course thunderous barrages of work that ultimately, now that I look back..the ups and downs were thrilling to go through. It taught me patience, perseverance, persistence and humility.


It made me a better man.

That said, if it is over, I welcome the next chapter of my life, whatever it may be. I never even saw this career coming.

Every job needs to be done, and done well. From janitor to CEO.

I'm confident there are very smart people trying to get a hold of this

The best we can do for now is edify each other , and not tear each other down.

Thanks again.

This is a great post, stevieray. I wish for everyone to be able to look back on where they've come in their life and career with this kind of grateful satisfaction at the challenges that were overcome and the successes achieved, the way you have.

The uncertainty about this pandemic is very high right now. I am hopeful that we'll have the worst of it behind us within a couple of months and have a clearer vision of its impacts.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by jdubya

So you are all in on Dr. Faucis statement that essentially said," Ten million jobs lost is just an inconvenience but we just have to do it....."??? Really? You dont question any of that? He followed that up with we will likely need to SIP until we have a vaccine which could be another year. Is Dr. Fauci suddenly a renowned economist too?

I guess I understand folks need something to cling to regarding hope and if Fauci is your guy, go with it. Im just a bit nervous with some of his statements

There's a few wonderful threads in DC on this subject if you'd like to go on with this.

[LiveSteam]

3 months ago. He said don't worry, be happy

[LiveSteam]

Originally Posted by Donger

There's a few wonderful threads in DC on this subject if you'd like to go on with this.

He's not overstepping here.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by jdubya

I never said he is not. I suggested he share his lead role. To be fair Dr. Fauci cut his teeth on the AIDS virus as a young up and coming 30 year old and was cutting edge. He is now in his 70`s and has sat comfortably in the arms of the NIH and served multiple presidents. All I am suggesting is that it is possible he could use some help from the private sector and elsewhere. (hopefully he is and we just dont see it). I havent lost faith in him but he has made a couple of concerning remarks regarding public policy and the economy that makes me flinch a bit and he may be swerving out of his lane at times...so to speak.

Yeah the Dr Fauci is clearly a moron. Why would we ever listen to him? Lets listen to you from here on out.