***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

You’ve missed a few.

We just need 1 more to create the group known as The Covid 19.

[LiveSteam]

now that's funny

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

Come on. He clearly wasn’t correct when he said that. A threat is not a present existent danger. It is a future possible negative outcome. Given what happened it was obviously a threat back then. We should have been worried about it. And as you said we should have been taking preventative measures. Unless something is a threat, you don’t take preventative measures. If he said it’s not affecting us right now or something he’d have been correct.

Yes we are talking with the benefit of hindsight as I think that was the context that jtubya is talking about with his thoughts on Dr. Fauci. If anyone probably should have been sounding alarms it’s Dr. Fauci. Of course I fully acknowledge he may well have been doing that behind the scenes.

He definitely underestimated it there is no denying that but we don't know what information he was getting from China where the virus originated. Despite what he says publicly it doesn't take a genius to realize obviously they didn't tell him or the world how dangerous this virus is like they should have.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

And you're being a dick.

We all know why Fauci said it wasn't a problem in January.

We also know that China didn't fully disclose the extent of the disease back in November.

It's best to drop it.

Comment with an insult then say it’s best to drop it? Yeah okay nice work dropping it. I’m not even talking about the why behind what he said. The reasoning isn’t what makes the statement wrong. That being said I think he has mostly been trying to just play both angle to prevent over reactions in any direction to any one thing.

[srvy]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Why throw in the insult , seems a little childish and probably doesn’t do you any favours trying to convince people to see your point of view.

Who has the best maple syrup in Canuck land?

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

He definitely underestimated it there is no denying that but we don't know what information he was getting from China where the virus originated. Despite what he says publicly it doesn't take a genius to realize obviously they didn't tell him or the world how dangerous this virus is like they should have.

You would think being in his position over the course of 4 presidents he would have learned by now not to trust the Chinese

[Halfcan]

We went to the Wal Mart Market yesterday. How depressing. Security at the front door only allowing 20% capacity in at a time. Mostly half empty to empty shelves. No beef, TP, paper products. People with masks and gloves walking around like its the apocalypse. Tape on the floor keeping every apart. They said they going to 10% capacity on Monday, so expect long lines.

[Halfcan]

People throwing their used surgical gloves down in the parking lots are rude assholes.

[eDave]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

People throwing their used surgical gloves down in the parking lots are rude assholes.

Dude, they're everywhere. Hell, I found a full box of unused ones in the street a couple of weeks ago.

[srvy]

Originally Posted by BWillie

Pat Robertson has always been on of the most ignorant person on the planet.

Just another example of an old 80+ year old no one should be paying attention to what they are saying.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

You’ve missed a few.

Yeah, we're trying to be lenient....

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by eDave

Dude, they're everywhere. Hell, I found a full box of unused ones in the street a couple of weeks ago.

They would have to be treated as medical waste at this point since the person cleaning them up is now at risk. They were all over the Walmart parking lot.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

You would think being in his position over the course of 4 presidents he would have learned by now not to trust the Chinese

It has nothing to do with trusting or not trusting the Chinese. How is he supposed warn the public about the virus if the Chinese didn't tell him the truth? There was nothing he could do.

If you don't want to follow what the guy says that is fine but to act like the guy doesn't know what he is talking about because he isn't right 100% of the time is ridiculous. A guy with his resume and his position doesn't get that by accident.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

It has nothing to do with trusting or not trusting the Chinese. How is he supposed warn the public about the virus if the Chinese didn't tell him the truth? There was nothing he could do.

If you don't want to follow what the guy says that is fine but to act like the guy doesn't know what he is talking about because he isn't right 100% of the time is ridiculous. A guy with his resume and his position doesn't get that by accident.

He missed on the biggest issue in 100 years. Sorry, I can't just poo poo that one away and shrug my shoulders.

[arrowheadnation]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

We went to the Wal Mart Market yesterday. How depressing. Security at the front door only allowing 20% capacity in at a time. Mostly half empty to empty shelves. No beef, TP, paper products. People with masks and gloves walking around like its the apocalypse. Tape on the floor keeping every apart. They said they going to 10% capacity on Monday, so expect long lines.

Really? I thought this type of thing was over. I live in a suburb of Wichita and our Dillons had everything but Lysol, hand sanitizer, chlorox wipes, and strangely enough....pasta, the other day. Full meat counter, mostly full TP aisle. Maybe I just went on a good day.