Chiefs Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel - Page 118

**DaFace** · 04:32 PM

Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel

REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday.
By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT

Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.”

The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.”

More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo:

Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.”

This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg.

Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week.

Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos.

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Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann:

A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition.

The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well.

The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself.

Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function.

These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is.

Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side.

Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some.

For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period.

If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level.

Aspengc8 · 11-07-2018, 07:39 AM

The thing that concerns me is that a Haglunds deformity requires surgery. There is no 'reducing the swelling' to the point of playing. If its more on the side of his foot, it needs to be shaved down and recovery is pretty quick. If its more towards the back of the heel, the achilles needs to be cut so the spur can be shaved down, then a plate inserted so the achilles can be re-anchored correctly. I'm going to guess that he had it on the side and it was shaved down without it being broadcasted all over, otherwise there is no playing if its near the back of his heel.

**loochy** · 11-07-2018, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Eric Berry is too injured to even practice for 3 months?

Bullshit.

That sounds like "day to day" to me!
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Flying High D · 11-07-2018, 08:28 AM

How hard is it to get a hogs lung off a heel? Asking for day to day safety.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-07-2018, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Flying High D

If it is so painful, how is he working out? Asking for a friend.

Or "keeping his cardio up"? I have to tape up if I get toe blisters or whatever in order to perform my hour-long elliptical session. A heel injury? Not a ****ing chance. Way too painful, even with pills.

GloryDayz · 11-07-2018, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Flying High D

How hard is it to get a hogs lung off a heel? Asking for day to day safety.

It depends on how lazy and unmotivated they are. Is your safety friend lazy and unmotivated? Don't ask them, they'll always claim they aren't lazy and they're very motivated, figure it out for yourself. Does your safety friend even bother to groom? If not, chances are he's a useless and lazy ****, dump him as a friend..

chinaski · 11-07-2018, 08:39 AM

Berry the KC Safety
Has a very painful spur
And if you ever saw it
You would even say that blows

All of the folk on Planet
Bitch and whine and cry and moan
They really want poor Berry
To suck it up and start to play

Red Dawg · 11-07-2018, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by In58men

I missed work with gout for two and I had people tell me no way gout is that painful.

What you never had before, you’ll never understand. You’re the one actually being selfish, his health is more important than a football game smh.

Actualy i do know after having the same thing. I did have the surgery where they detach achiles, shave the bone and reattach. Before the surgury it was painful after runnning once you were still it would get stiif but he coild manage this better. Shoot it up, keep it loose and play. He's afraid of another Achilles surgery. Thats it. Its on him, not the staff.

ChiefAshhole1056 · 11-07-2018, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

OK then, why isn't he practicing then? Whats the deal with Berry? Enlighten us.

Berry and the team realize that with this injury and with his lack of durability the past few years that it is the best course of action to save him for the most important part of the season, which is the playoffs. Going in to the season they sat down with him to go over how he was doing and they figured there was no way he could last a full season so they are letting him rest it and will bring him back into the fold later in the season so that they can ensure he is available during the postseason. They will bring him back during the bye week and slowly adjust his playing time the rest of the way so that he’s as close to 100% as possible going into the postseason.

Flying High D · 11-07-2018, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

Or "keeping his cardio up"? I have to tape up if I get toe blisters or whatever in order to perform my hour-long elliptical session. A heel injury? Not a ****ing chance. Way too painful, even with pills.

More info on pills needed. Type, dosage, cost and where obtained.

In58men · 11-07-2018, 08:41 AM

CP has a lot of doctors that post here, never knew that.

**loochy** · 11-07-2018, 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chinaski

Berry the KC Safety
Has a very painful spur
And if you ever saw it
You would even say that blows

All of the folk on Planet
Bitch and whine and cry and moan
They really want poor Berry
To suck it up and start to play

Then one foggy November day
Dr. Andrews came to say
Eric something in your heel's not right
So come in for surgery tonight

And how the homers loved him
as they shouted out with glee
Eric the no-play safety
you'll go down in hisssstooooryyyy
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OKchiefs · 11-07-2018, 08:46 AM

About 3 hours until we hear Berry still isn't practicing, and 4 days until we get to watch his cheerleader routine on the sidelines!!! I can't wait!

Flying High D · 11-07-2018, 08:49 AM

My first 10 years in the military was very painful, little toes hurt like hell. Like a flaming spear was being drove into them. Got off active duty, 9 years later in 2001 I was with a chick in Pittsburg, KS. She hooked me up with a foot doctor (been to about 20 foot doctors specialist before this dude). This dude found bone spurs, cut them out, rotated my little toes. I have been pain free since then. Never knew life could be so good. EB needs to hook up with that chick in Pittsburg, KS so can take him to that foot doctor and get fixed.

**loochy** · 11-07-2018, 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flying High D

My first 10 years in the military was very painful, little toes hurt like hell. Like a flaming spear was being drove into them. Got off active duty, 9 years later in 2001 I was with a chick in Pittsburg, KS. She hooked me up with a foot doctor (been to about 20 foot doctors specialist before this dude). This dude found bone spurs, cut them out, rotated my little toes. I have been pain free since then. Never knew life could be so good. EB needs to hook up with that chick in Pittsburg, KS so can take him to that foot doctor and get fixed.

Did you instantly go back to playing at an NFL all-pro level?
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Marcellus · 11-07-2018, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flying High D

My first 10 years in the military was very painful, little toes hurt like hell. Like a flaming spear was being drove into them. Got off active duty, 9 years later in 2001 I was with a chick in Pittsburg, KS. She hooked me up with a foot doctor (been to about 20 foot doctors specialist before this dude). This dude found bone spurs, cut them out, rotated my little toes. I have been pain free since then. Never knew life could be so good. EB needs to hook up with that chick in Pittsburg, KS so can take him to that foot doctor and get fixed.

09-29-2018, 01:06 PM
DaFace Kind of a mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Donkey Land Casino cash: $1476899	Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me. https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday. By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.” The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.” More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo: Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.” This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg. Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week. Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos. ---- Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann: A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition. The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well. The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself. Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function. These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is. Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side. Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some. For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period. If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level. Last edited by DaFace; 09-29-2018 at 04:32 PM..
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Aspengc8 Veteran Join Date: Dec 2005 Casino cash: $9950632	The thing that concerns me is that a Haglunds deformity requires surgery. There is no 'reducing the swelling' to the point of playing. If its more on the side of his foot, it needs to be shaved down and recovery is pretty quick. If its more towards the back of the heel, the achilles needs to be cut so the spur can be shaved down, then a plate inserted so the achilles can be re-anchored correctly. I'm going to guess that he had it on the side and it was shaved down without it being broadcasted all over, otherwise there is no playing if its near the back of his heel.
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Flying High D MVP Join Date: Feb 2017 Casino cash: $3550400	My first 10 years in the military was very painful, little toes hurt like hell. Like a flaming spear was being drove into them. Got off active duty, 9 years later in 2001 I was with a chick in Pittsburg, KS. She hooked me up with a foot doctor (been to about 20 foot doctors specialist before this dude). This dude found bone spurs, cut them out, rotated my little toes. I have been pain free since then. Never knew life could be so good. EB needs to hook up with that chick in Pittsburg, KS so can take him to that foot doctor and get fixed.
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