***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Dr. Anthony Fauci: There are 'good signs' in US battle against coronavirus, but we're far from 'claiming victory'

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/dr...ry/ar-BB12fedO

That's good, but odd coming off the heals of the worst day in NY in regards to new deaths in a day...

[O.city]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

Can anyone tell me the percentage of positive tests ? I thought I had read in here that is was less than 10%, but I may be misremembering.

Last i saw it was like 16% or so. But thats down from 23%.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by Why Not?

On that, I could agree(I sure hope that’s the case)the part I think is far fetched is getting everyone to Arizona to play everyday in the 112 degree heat on top of al the other logistic issues. Hopefully, we’re so far along by June things can start to resume as normal.

Another key issue that will need to be addressed is access to medical care for injuries.

For example, Dr. James Andrews has suspended performing Tommy John surgeries because they are considered non-urgent surgeries.

If a baseball player injuries his knee or tears a ligament will that be considered a non-urgent surgery/treatment?

While it may not be urgent for his life, the delay in surgery/treatment certainly could impact his future career performance potential.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

This thread has done at least one thing good for me....

Extra Toasty Cheeze-it’s are ****ing amazing.

Dude, yes! The Extra Toasty ones kick ****ing ass. I tried them for the first time a few months back and they were awesome. My fiance acted like she couldn't taste a difference, but she also told me one time that she couldn't see the difference between HD and SD on TV.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

And now I'm repeating myself.

The insistence on viewing this strictly as a medical question when there are sociological, psychological and yes, economic considerations in play is what's creating half-cocked decisions.

This isn't something that can be addressed as a strictly medical question because for the overwhelming majority of Americans, it will have very little medical impact on them.

The issue is without barely any testing it only takes 1 infected person in a community and it can spread like wildfire. We don't have the testing capability to do covert and trace testing and tracking.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by stumppy

QFMFT

Hell, around here you can bet at one time or another your kid will come home from school with head lice and you're lucky if it only happens one time a year. I can only imagine what would happen if the schools stayed in session during all this.

That shit is real bad now because schools no longer check for head lice, some idiot parent bitches that it was an invasion of privacy. So now your kids are going to school with other ones that are infested because their parents don't care.

[jerryaldini]

I wrote a local newspaper reporter covering Covid asking that they report on the improvements in the data that suggest there is an extremely low probability that care will be rationed (recent articles were still suggesting this likelihood). Here's the response:

"Thank you for reaching out. I got your last email as well. I'm very familiar with the IHME and think they do good work. The reason I haven't written about these projections is that they don't square with what I'm hearing from my sources who work in health care (some of whom I asked to look at these projections). I don't take any joy in reporting less optimistic projections, but I can't report information where there are concerns about accuracy. To your larger point, our newsroom is working on a few stories that I hope will find improvements from the steps everyone has taken so far.

Please let me know if you come across anything else that we may be missing!"

Fair enough. But I think they should at least write that the model the federal government is using is far more sanguine than what they are reporting.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

Can anyone tell me the percentage of positive tests ? I thought I had read in here that is was less than 10%, but I may be misremembering.

In this country:

Tests given = 1,955,400

Total cases (positive tests?) = 377,499

So the math would tell us that 377,499 / 1,955,400 = 0.19 or 19% positive

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Yup plus once again I encourage everyone to go look at China and SK. They start opening things up and then have to pull back. We won't be any different.

Right.

It's going to be tough to find that middle ground where people lives are back to normal but not too normal where the virus starts spreading again. Until a vaccine comes out USA is going to be very different even when things start opening up. But at least it will be better than what we are currently dealing with.

Just going to take time and patience. No way around it.

[penguinz]

So apparently trump owns shares in the company Sanofi which makes Plaquenil.

How convenient for him to be pushing this constantly without knowing what he is talking about.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

The issue is without barely any testing it only takes 1 infected person in a community and it can spread like wildfire. We don't have the testing capability to do covert and trace testing and tracking.

So what would you propose? Lock up everyone, test them, keep the negative people locked up until all the positive people are recovered or dead?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by penguinz

So apparently trump owns shares in the company Sanofi which makes Plaquenil.

How convenient for him to be pushing this constantly without knowing what he is talking about.

Take it to DC already

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

This thread has done at least one thing good for me....

Extra Toasty Cheeze-it’s are ****ing amazing.

I could have told you that years ago, my dad retired from there 2 years ago, he brought home boxes of every god damn kind of cheeze it and other shit too since it's owned by kelloggs.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

And now I'm repeating myself.

The insistence on viewing this strictly as a medical question when there are sociological, psychological and yes, economic considerations in play is what's creating half-cocked decisions.

This isn't something that can be addressed as a strictly medical question because for the overwhelming majority of Americans, it will have very little medical impact on them.

That is true but the virologist will see it that way and the Economist will see it in another and all that info was passed onto to our leaders and they made an informed decision based on both and this is what they chose unfortunately.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by petegz28

In this country:

Tests given = 1,955,400

Total cases (positive tests?) = 377,499

So the math would tell us that 377,499 / 1,955,400 = 0.19 or 19% positive

Whats crazy to me is if you buy into some of the recent stuff out of SK and China (grain of salt the size of the world) we may be catching a fraction of the infected.

Even if we're catching 20%, that 80 % is a huge number