Time to trade Jared Allen...

[L.A. Chieffan]

Ok htismaqe. Start a poll.
Trade him or keep him.

[L.A. Chieffan]

I just wanna ask, because I don't think anyone has brought this up yet.
What happens if Allen is arrested again? Is there any type of suspension that will incur?
I'm still not clear on that, maybe somebody can enlighten me.

[4th and Long]

Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan

I just wanna ask, because I don't think anyone has brought this up yet.
What happens if Allen is arrested again? Is there any type of suspension that will incur?
I'm still not clear on that, maybe somebody can enlighten me.

Stage 1 is fairly straightforward. Essentially a positive test of someone. Now this could be a random test or a tip from someone such as NFL security or the team. All tests are confidential but a failure gets you into Stage 1. This stage is not to last more than 60 days, during which there is random testing. A player is usually given a few days notice but must not miss the test. Failure of a test or missing of a test gets you automatic admission into Stage 2.

Ah yes, Stage 2. During Stage 1 a treatment plan has been put together. Complete with regular meetings with Psychiatrists, Medical Doctors, etc. to stop what the NFL deems might be a problem starting. In Stage 2, which is only to last 24 months or two complete seasons, this gets more intense. You life is really not your own. Tests are more often, less time in advance, and the penalties are far more severe. In the NFL’s own words…

“(1)Discipline for First Failure to Comply in Stage Two: A player who has a Positive Test or who in the judgment of the Medical Director fails to comply with his Treatment Plan during Stage Two will be subject to:

(a) A fine of four-seventeenths (4/17) of the amount in Paragraph 5 of the NFL Player Contract if the player has successfully completed Stage One; and

(b) A suspension for the period of time to cover four consecutive regular season and post-season (including Pro Bowl, if selected) games without pay if he did not successfully complete Stage One.

(2)Discipline for Second Failure to Comply in Stage Two: A player who has two Positive Tests in Stage Two; or fails twice, as determined by the Medical Director, to comply with his Treatment Plan in Stage Two; or has a Positive Test and fails to comply with his Treatment Plan, as determined by the Medical Director, will incur:

(a) A suspension for the period of time to cover four consecutive regular and post season games (including the Pro Bowl, if selected) without pay if the player was fined pursuant to Section E.2.b.(1)(a) above; and

(b) A suspension for the period of time to cover six consecutive regular and post season games (including the Pro Bowl, if selected) without pay if the player was suspended pursuant to Section E.2.b.(1)(b) above.”

Pretty straightforward. You would think someone in Stage 2 would take this seriously. After all, where else can you get paid this much money as in the NFL? But addiction is a very tough thing to beat. But stay away from Stage 3!!!

In Stage 3, the player has failed the other two stages. There is no time limit on Stage 3. Once in this stage, you are in this stage for the rest of your career, period. Unannounced testing, counseling from all angles, NO TOLERANCE for failure. This is stricter than the requirements of the military, companies, or any other sport I know of.

You fail in Stage 3, the penalty is, in the NFL’s own words, BANISHMENT! First for a minimum of one year, second, while it is on a case by case basis the chances of maintaining your career are pretty slim. Start looking at a new line of work. Once you are banished, you do not get paid regardless of whether is was a guaranteed signing bonus or not. If you apply for reinstatement, and are reinstated, then you can pick up your contract. Although many teams have clauses in the behavioral section of the contract that would nullify it if you hit Stage 3. At Stage 3 you are really at the mercy of the NFL to get yourself back in.

[L.A. Chieffan]

I'm sorry I still don't get it.
What will happen?

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan

I'm sorry I still don't get it.
What will happen?

Pretty simple really. He has ran out of mulligans.
He is already going to get 4 games off without pay.
One more "out of bounds" and he is off for a year.

[crazycoffey]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

Pretty simple really. He has ran out of mulligans.
He is already going to get 4 games off without pay.
One more "out of bounds" and he is off for a year.

I'm asking because I missed it, on this thread, another thread on the news, etc.....

do we know for sure the number (four games) he will miss or is it still a guess? (an educated one or not)

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by crazycoffey

I'm asking because I missed it, on this thread, another thread on the news, etc.....

do we know for sure the number (four games) he will miss or is it still a guess? (an educated one or not)

I think it is pretty well set in stone. In fact, I think if you read 4th and Long's entire post, it is in there.

Stage 2 item b

[crazycoffey]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

I think it is pretty well set in stone. In fact, I think if you read 4th and Long's entire post, it is in there.

Stage 2 item b

I don't read much of 4th and long's posts normally, but like I said, I probably missed it in this thread.



I was just curious, I was under the impression that maybe it was one of the stumbling blocks in the negotiations. therefore, how many games Allen misses would/could be a direct reflection on his contract offer. But it's only my thoughts and opinions, not anything else.

[htismaqe]

Jared Allen is not being punished under the NFL substance abuse policy.

Jared Allen is facing a 4-game suspension because he was convicted of a crime.

Same as Warfield.

[htismaqe]

4th and Long's post was regarding the NFL substance abuse policy.

Allen, but getting CONVICTED of DUI, is also an offender under the NFL's CONDUCT policy.

In Eric Warfield's case, he wasn't enrolled in the substance abuse policy after his first offense, so he would have avoided the 4-game suspension on his 2nd offense, except that he was convicted of DUI. The NFL then got him under the conduct policy because of his conviction.

[booger]

Post from KCXfactor on the coalition regarding Greg Wesley.



He told me a couple weeks ago that he wouldn't be here this year that they were trading him but it was a much better deal for him. I said I hope that it isn't to a team that we have to play every year cause I don't want him getting 3 ints against us all the time and he said no you don't have to worry about that cause I'm going to a team that is really good and in the NFC. He then said that I would be seeing him though this year. So I said well that gives it away either Minnesota or the Bears and he said damn X you are good but wouldn't tell me which one. He told me that it was pretty much done they were just working out the final details and it would be done within a couple weeks. That was 2 weeks ago this coming Sunday so we should be hearing it shortly. I told him that it had been a pleaser working with him with various charities and he told me that he was going to miss me and all Chiefs fans. He said we are by far the best in the league and that the work that i do for the community symbolizes exactly what it means to being the best fans in the world period.

[ct]

Originally Posted by booger

Post from KCXfactor on the coalition regarding Greg Wesley.



He told me a couple weeks ago that he wouldn't be here this year that they were trading him but it was a much better deal for him. I said I hope that it isn't to a team that we have to play every year cause I don't want him getting 3 ints against us all the time and he said no you don't have to worry about that cause I'm going to a team that is really good and in the NFC. He then said that I would be seeing him though this year. So I said well that gives it away either Minnesota or the Bears and he said damn X you are good but wouldn't tell me which one. He told me that it was pretty much done they were just working out the final details and it would be done within a couple weeks. That was 2 weeks ago this coming Sunday so we should be hearing it shortly. I told him that it had been a pleaser working with him with various charities and he told me that he was going to miss me and all Chiefs fans. He said we are by far the best in the league and that the work that i do for the community symbolizes exactly what it means to being the best fans in the world period.

DaBears, for the 130th overall pick, in the 4th round, would good for me.

[booger]

Originally Posted by coryt

DaBears, for the 130th overall pick, in the 4th round, would good for me.

I'd say a 4th is just right, not too much to ask for.

I kinda wonder if the Bears would still be interested since they got Archaleta though?

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by booger

Post from KCXfactor on the coalition regarding Greg Wesley.



He told me a couple weeks ago that he wouldn't be here this year that they were trading him but it was a much better deal for him. I said I hope that it isn't to a team that we have to play every year cause I don't want him getting 3 ints against us all the time and he said no you don't have to worry about that cause I'm going to a team that is really good and in the NFC. He then said that I would be seeing him though this year. So I said well that gives it away either Minnesota or the Bears and he said damn X you are good but wouldn't tell me which one. He told me that it was pretty much done they were just working out the final details and it would be done within a couple weeks. That was 2 weeks ago this coming Sunday so we should be hearing it shortly. I told him that it had been a pleaser working with him with various charities and he told me that he was going to miss me and all Chiefs fans. He said we are by far the best in the league and that the work that i do for the community symbolizes exactly what it means to being the best fans in the world period.

This may be part of the "blockbuster" that Herm referred to?

[booger]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

This may be part of the "blockbuster" that Herm referred to?

When Mitch Holthus mentioned the potential blockbuster, I don't see how it wouldn't include LJ or Allen.

Green, Knight, and Wesley? I see these as more of the "might be unpopular descisions with some people" type of moves.