For those that want to draft a WR in the first round.... - Page 12

chop · 04-13-2007, 07:46 AM

Doesn't look like it will happen.

http://www.kansascity.com/160/story/69032.html

Chiefs won’t get grabby

Team doesn’t place a high priority on wide receivers in the upcoming NFL draft.

By ADAM TEICHER

The Kansas City Star

Herm Edwards was talking recently about the players who will catch passes for the Chiefs next season. He took care to mention two young wide receivers, Jeff Webb and Chris Hannon, even though they had three receptions between them as rookies last season.
“We’ve got two young guys, and I want to see whether they can play or not,” Edwards said. “I know one thing: We don’t cover them in practice very well.”
Is it just draft talk, designed to convince the NFL’s 31 other teams the Chiefs have no intention of selecting a receiver in the upcoming player lottery?
Perhaps. But know two things. First, Edwards isn’t big, even in the days leading to the draft, on talking up prospects he doesn’t have expectations for.
The other is that the Chiefs don’t view improving the position as a top priority, certainly not as much as their fans do. They made no move in free-agency to sign a wide receiver.
The only top wide receiver known to be visiting with the Chiefs next week, when they intend to bring up to 30 draft prospects to Arrowhead Stadium, is Robert Meachem of Tennessee.
Among the top receivers not scheduled to visit are Sidney Rice of South Carolina, Steve Smith of USC, Dwayne Bowe and Craig Davis of LSU, Paul Williams of Fresno State and Yamon Figurs of Kansas State.
While this is insignificant taken alone, it is another indication the Chiefs believe they have bigger positional priorities in the draft, such as cornerback and defensive tackle.
The Chiefs could use another wide receiver and will probably select at least one. They may be content to wait until later in the draft to do it.
“When you draft a receiver in the first round, a lot of times it’s buyer beware,” Edwards said. “For some reason, it takes them a while. Most rookie receivers don’t come in and light it up their first year. They struggle. The dynamics have changed for those guys from college to the NFL. You have to understand that when you draft a receiver in the first round. A lot of them don’t play their first year and even when they play, they don’t live up to expectations.
“You can find guys to help you at wide receiver later in the draft, definitely.”
Unless a draft pick pushes his way into the playing rotation, starters Eddie Kennison and Samie Parker along with Webb and Hannon will be the top wide receivers next season.
The Chiefs are trying to trade Dante Hall, who hasn’t given them what they hoped as either a slot receiver or kick returner in recent seasons. He may be released if he isn’t traded.
The Chiefs are counting on dramatic improvement from Webb, a sixth-round pick last year, and Hannon, who wasn’t drafted. Webb is bigger and more physical, and Hannon is faster but must get stronger.
“They’ve got some talent,” Edwards said. “They have enough that they’ve earned the opportunity to try to play. That’s what we’ve emphasized. We’re trying to create competition.
“It’s just a matter of getting to the details of what we’re trying to do. Now they know what we want from them. They’re not just trying to figure out what to do. ”
To Webb and Hannon, it’s a gift that the Chiefs haven’t added a wide receiver, at least so far.
“That’s the coach’s decision,” Webb said. “I don’t know what they’re thinking. All I can do is work on Jeff Webb and try to be a good player.
“Hannon and I are doing our jobs right now. We’re working extra hours when it comes time to lift weights and (spending) extra hours out on the practice field with Brodie (Croyle).”
Kennison has been a regular at the offseason workouts since they began almost two weeks ago. He recently turned 34, an advanced age for a wide receiver.
But Kennison keeps himself in good physical condition. His streak of two straight 1,000-yard seasons was ended last year, but that had more to do with problems elsewhere in the Chiefs’ passing game than with any drop-off in Kennison’s play.
“I’m not going to let anybody else determine when I retire from this game,” he said. “I want to retire when I’m ready. And I’m not ready.
“I’m better at taking care of myself: diet, exercise, doing the things that are right all the time. I’m not a guy that hangs out in the nightspots. I’m not a drinker. I keep finding ways to do things better. The workouts continue to get better for me. It makes things easier. That’s my whole deal.”

crazycoffey · 04-14-2007, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

You really think Jeff Webb is half the return man Ginn is.......how many times you watch Ohio State play?

this will be the third time I tell you this. I'm backing away from the conversation because you seem to only want to prove your opinions as some sort of fact.

You gave your opinion. I gave mine. you reiterated your opinion and I reiterated mine. after this second occasion we are really starting to waste our time. It is an agree to disagree scenerio. I don't like Ginn as a first round pick. My opinion, and you can't change it. Does it mean we won't pick him? NO, how could I know that.

I only wanted to share my opinion and not to try and prove mine is better than yours, (Harrell). I don't think I could change your opinion and I don't want to. I only wanted to have a discussion about football, not get hit over the head Mr. Mecca.

kindly drop the topic, with me anyway.

BTW, Simms did really good in College too, I don't know how Ginn's college career is the end all of the deciding factors.

Mecca · 04-14-2007, 02:16 PM

I'll be the first one to say Ginn has issues as a WR but questioning his special teams ability is a bit much......he smokes everyone on our team as a returner even Dante Hall.

crazycoffey · 04-14-2007, 02:20 PM

seeing how you have such great psychic abilities, do you mind sharing the lottery numbers? I could use the extra cash.

Mecca · 04-14-2007, 02:24 PM

Watch that...........

If someone teacbes him how to catch balls and not drop many then he has the talent to be a star......he bugs me of course because he drops balls but he is an extreme talent and that shows on his special teams plays.

Sully · 04-14-2007, 02:31 PM

Okay.. now I'm convinced.
Ginn is my gu. Let's bring on the Shot-Ginn offense!

After watching that video, I am also convinced that Troy Smith has Jay Schroeder syndrome... whether a pass is 10 yards or 60, he throws as hard as he can. And talk about a slow looking release.

Mecca · 04-14-2007, 02:34 PM

When I was busting on Ginn I was busting on him as a top 15 pick.......I think he's good value at 23, all the physical talent in the world, a little bit of coaching and you got a star.

crazycoffey · 04-14-2007, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

If someone teacbes him how to catch balls and not drop many then he has the talent to be a star......he bugs me of course because he drops balls but he is an extreme talent and that shows on his special teams plays.

did you actually just say "if someone teaches him to catch" he'll be a star?

Mecca · 04-14-2007, 02:54 PM

It's basically concentration, he can be coached on the finer points of catching the ball, but he does have all the physical skills.

crazycoffey · 04-14-2007, 02:54 PM

Mecca · 04-14-2007, 02:56 PM

But hey what do I know you wanna draft a guy who's torn a bicep and broken an ankle.......then elevated himself in workouts...

Halfcan · 04-14-2007, 04:41 PM

I don't expect to be happy on draft day. This team is just floundering without any direction at all.

bdeg · 04-14-2007, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

It's basically concentration, he can be coached on the finer points of catching the ball, but he does have all the physical skills.

I hear this all the time.

If it were that easy to teach a player to catch the ball, don't you think he would have learned it at Ohio State?

Halfcan · 04-14-2007, 04:46 PM

Couple things that caught my eye about Ginn- I like how he runs full speed to the endzone-no showboating. I also like his vision-seems he sees the whole field and is making moves 10 to 15 yards before he gets pinned into a corner.

bdeg · 04-14-2007, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

We hear that every year.

Just you wait, Wilkerson would have been a 1st round pick if he stayed in school one more year - he'll be great with a little playing time under his belt. Thorpe has great speed, you can't teach that, just wait until he gets the system under his belt for one year.

Was 2005 a great draft year? You got two full time starters that first year - DJ and Colquitt and a special teams player in Grigsby.

When you are doing your own mock draft for KC this year do you say to yourself, "Boy, I hope the guys from rounds 2-7 put in 3 starts between them and get some special teams play. That would be a great draft!"

I already explained that. You can't judge a draft based on just their rookie years.

Here was my explanation that you omitted from your quote:

"I'm not sure how you think this works, but players drafted in the later rounds don't usually start their rookie year. Those are players that you hope you can eventually develop into starters. Or in some cases the most you can expect is a quality backup."

You also can't judge a draft just by how many starts players get. This is affected by who the team already has playing the position. Bad teams might make it look like they had good drafts because they HAVE to play rookies.

*edit: When I say you can't judge a draft based on 1 year, I realize that's all we have to go by at the moment. But when it's obvious players will be starting next year don't ignore it.

FloridaMan88 · 04-14-2007, 06:54 PM

Brodie Croyle+Hannon/Webb+Washed-up Kennison+Herm/Slowlari's ultra ultra ultra ultra ultra conservative playcalling= the Chiefs have the worst passing offense in modern NFL history next season.

And I left Tony Gonzalez out because without legit WRs on the outside teams will just shackle him inside like always.

04-13-2007, 07:46 AM
chop Go Chiefs! Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $884270	For those that want to draft a WR in the first round.... Doesn't look like it will happen. http://www.kansascity.com/160/story/69032.html Chiefs won’t get grabby Team doesn’t place a high priority on wide receivers in the upcoming NFL draft. By ADAM TEICHER The Kansas City Star Herm Edwards was talking recently about the players who will catch passes for the Chiefs next season. He took care to mention two young wide receivers, Jeff Webb and Chris Hannon, even though they had three receptions between them as rookies last season. “We’ve got two young guys, and I want to see whether they can play or not,” Edwards said. “I know one thing: We don’t cover them in practice very well.” Is it just draft talk, designed to convince the NFL’s 31 other teams the Chiefs have no intention of selecting a receiver in the upcoming player lottery? Perhaps. But know two things. First, Edwards isn’t big, even in the days leading to the draft, on talking up prospects he doesn’t have expectations for. The other is that the Chiefs don’t view improving the position as a top priority, certainly not as much as their fans do. They made no move in free-agency to sign a wide receiver. The only top wide receiver known to be visiting with the Chiefs next week, when they intend to bring up to 30 draft prospects to Arrowhead Stadium, is Robert Meachem of Tennessee. Among the top receivers not scheduled to visit are Sidney Rice of South Carolina, Steve Smith of USC, Dwayne Bowe and Craig Davis of LSU, Paul Williams of Fresno State and Yamon Figurs of Kansas State. While this is insignificant taken alone, it is another indication the Chiefs believe they have bigger positional priorities in the draft, such as cornerback and defensive tackle. The Chiefs could use another wide receiver and will probably select at least one. They may be content to wait until later in the draft to do it. “When you draft a receiver in the first round, a lot of times it’s buyer beware,” Edwards said. “For some reason, it takes them a while. Most rookie receivers don’t come in and light it up their first year. They struggle. The dynamics have changed for those guys from college to the NFL. You have to understand that when you draft a receiver in the first round. A lot of them don’t play their first year and even when they play, they don’t live up to expectations. “You can find guys to help you at wide receiver later in the draft, definitely.” Unless a draft pick pushes his way into the playing rotation, starters Eddie Kennison and Samie Parker along with Webb and Hannon will be the top wide receivers next season. The Chiefs are trying to trade Dante Hall, who hasn’t given them what they hoped as either a slot receiver or kick returner in recent seasons. He may be released if he isn’t traded. The Chiefs are counting on dramatic improvement from Webb, a sixth-round pick last year, and Hannon, who wasn’t drafted. Webb is bigger and more physical, and Hannon is faster but must get stronger. “They’ve got some talent,” Edwards said. “They have enough that they’ve earned the opportunity to try to play. That’s what we’ve emphasized. We’re trying to create competition. “It’s just a matter of getting to the details of what we’re trying to do. Now they know what we want from them. They’re not just trying to figure out what to do. ” To Webb and Hannon, it’s a gift that the Chiefs haven’t added a wide receiver, at least so far. “That’s the coach’s decision,” Webb said. “I don’t know what they’re thinking. All I can do is work on Jeff Webb and try to be a good player. “Hannon and I are doing our jobs right now. We’re working extra hours when it comes time to lift weights and (spending) extra hours out on the practice field with Brodie (Croyle).” Kennison has been a regular at the offseason workouts since they began almost two weeks ago. He recently turned 34, an advanced age for a wide receiver. But Kennison keeps himself in good physical condition. His streak of two straight 1,000-yard seasons was ended last year, but that had more to do with problems elsewhere in the Chiefs’ passing game than with any drop-off in Kennison’s play. “I’m not going to let anybody else determine when I retire from this game,” he said. “I want to retire when I’m ready. And I’m not ready. “I’m better at taking care of myself: diet, exercise, doing the things that are right all the time. I’m not a guy that hangs out in the nightspots. I’m not a drinker. I keep finding ways to do things better. The workouts continue to get better for me. It makes things easier. That’s my whole deal.”
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04-14-2007, 02:16 PM	#167
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-722950	I'll be the first one to say Ginn has issues as a WR but questioning his special teams ability is a bit much......he smokes everyone on our team as a returner even Dante Hall.
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04-14-2007, 02:24 PM	#169
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-722950	Watch that........... If someone teacbes him how to catch balls and not drop many then he has the talent to be a star......he bugs me of course because he drops balls but he is an extreme talent and that shows on his special teams plays.
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04-14-2007, 02:34 PM	#171
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-722950	When I was busting on Ginn I was busting on him as a top 15 pick.......I think he's good value at 23, all the physical talent in the world, a little bit of coaching and you got a star.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-722950	It's basically concentration, he can be coached on the finer points of catching the ball, but he does have all the physical skills.
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04-14-2007, 02:56 PM	#175
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-722950	But hey what do I know you wanna draft a guy who's torn a bicep and broken an ankle.......then elevated himself in workouts...
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04-14-2007, 04:46 PM	#178
Halfcan In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2005 Casino cash: $7327995	Couple things that caught my eye about Ginn- I like how he runs full speed to the endzone-no showboating. I also like his vision-seems he sees the whole field and is making moves 10 to 15 yards before he gets pinned into a corner.
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04-14-2007, 06:54 PM	#180
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