NFL Draft Bradford Please - Page 12

FringeNC · 01-10-2009, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I'm not sure where you're getting all this supposed "hate" for Bradford.

Because people think he's the 3rd prospect behind Sanchez and Stafford?

Almost universally, people have said that he has the physical tools it will take to be successful, but is going to have to learn playing from under center, learning to drop properly, and reading defenses - something the other two have a huge head start on.

If that is what you consider hate, then you have really thin skin.

And regarding Brandt, he thinks Tebow is a late 1st round pick, so forgive me if I'm not fawning over his opinion. And I noticed the Times piece didn't say a word about his question marks.

If you've watched ANY sports programming over the course of the past 48 hours, almost universally, the talking heads have talked about there being a huge learning curve for Bradford because of the system he plays in - something the other two hold a huge advantage over Bradford.

I'm not sure why this is so ****ing complicated for people.

Bradford's supposed to be off the charts intelligent. I'm not concerned about his learning curve. I'd be more concerned about his Croyle-like physique.

eazyb81 · 01-10-2009, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I'm not sure where you're getting all this supposed "hate" for Bradford.

Because people think he's the 3rd prospect behind Sanchez and Stafford?

Really? Read through the whole thread, and read through past threads. People highly exaggerate his weaknesses, anyone that says they like him is attacked, people make fun of the way he looks, etc.

The rational discussions on him are few and far between.

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Almost universally, people have said that he has the physical tools it will take to be successful, but is going to have to learn playing from under center, learning to drop properly, and reading defenses - something the other two have a huge head start on.

If that is what you consider hate, then you have really thin skin.

Read above. People on here also claim he has a noodle arm, does bubble screens all day, shit on him for the spread even though OU runs more of a pro-style spread than what Tech or Mizzou runs. The arguments against him are fair on the surface, but the exaggerations are just hysterically ridiculous.

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And regarding Brandt, he thinks Tebow is a late 1st round pick, so forgive me if I'm not fawning over his opinion. And I noticed the Times piece didn't say a word about his question marks.

So who's viewpoint would you "fawn" over? Not Kiper or McShay. Mayock? Or would you pull this argument out on anyone who favored Bradford?

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If you've watched ANY sports programming over the course of the past 48 hours, almost universally, the talking heads have talked about there being a huge learning curve for Bradford because of the system he plays in - something the other two hold a huge advantage over Bradford.

I'm not sure why this is so ****ing complicated for people.

Sorry if I don't listen to Herbstreit and Corso for draft analysis.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-10-2009, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

Really? Read through the whole thread, and read through past threads. People highly exaggerate his weaknesses, anyone that says they like him is attacked, people make fun of the way he looks, etc.

The rational discussions on him are few and far between.

Read above. People on here also claim he has a noodle arm, does bubble screens all day, shit on him for the spread even though OU runs more of a pro-style spread than what Tech or Mizzou runs. The arguments against him are fair on the surface, but the exaggerations are just hysterically ridiculous.

So who's viewpoint would you "fawn" over? Not Kiper or McShay. Mayock? Or would you pull this argument out on anyone who favored Bradford?

Sorry if I don't listen to Herbstreit and Corso for draft analysis.

Well, that clears it up.

Thin skin.

I wish I had the time to look, but I'd be willing to be that of all the guys that think Bradford is the #1 QB of the 3, that 95%+ of them are OU fans.

Trust me, I HOPE Bradford goes #1.

That all but hands us Stafford or Sanchez if the new GM wants them.

milkman · 01-10-2009, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Well, that clears it up.

Thin skin.

I wish I had the time to look, but I'd be willing to be that of all the guys that think Bradford is the #1 QB of the 3, that 95%+ of them are OU fans.

Trust me, I HOPE Bradford goes #1.

That all but hands us Stafford or Sanchez if the new GM wants them.

I haven't heard.

Has Sanchez announced a decision yet?

**Tribal Warfare** · 01-10-2009, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Well, that clears it up.

Thin skin.

I wish I had the time to look, but I'd be willing to be that of all the guys that think Bradford is the #1 QB of the 3, that 95%+ of them are OU fans.

Trust me, I HOPE Bradford goes #1.

That all but hands us Stafford or Sanchez if the new GM wants them.

Honestly, I don't think he'll declare after watching the National Championship and not winning it.

eazyb81 · 01-10-2009, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Well, that clears it up.

Thin skin.

I wish I had the time to look, but I'd be willing to be that of all the guys that think Bradford is the #1 QB of the 3, that 95%+ of them are OU fans.

Trust me, I HOPE Bradford goes #1.

That all but hands us Stafford or Sanchez if the new GM wants them.

Yeah, you surely don't have time to look it up, considering you're on here 24 hours a day.

Who cares about the ranking of the three players; I'm talking about acknowledging that Bradford is a solid pro prospect. The majority on this board are simply incapable of giving him his due props.

**the Talking Can** · 01-10-2009, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

Really? Read through the whole thread, and read through past threads. People highly exaggerate his weaknesses, anyone that says they like him is attacked, people make fun of the way he looks, etc.

The rational discussions on him are few and far between.

Read above. People on here also claim he has a noodle arm, does bubble screens all day, shit on him for the spread even though OU runs more of a pro-style spread than what Tech or Mizzou runs. The arguments against him are fair on the surface, but the exaggerations are just hysterically ridiculous.

So who's viewpoint would you "fawn" over? Not Kiper or McShay. Mayock? Or would you pull this argument out on anyone who favored Bradford?

Sorry if I don't listen to Herbstreit and Corso for draft analysis.

other than mecca and hamas, who are you crying about?

**the Talking Can** · 01-10-2009, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

It's hilarious seeing the vitriol on this board whenever the great QB discussion surfaces. The outright hatred of Bradford reminds me of the hatred of Ryan last year - you'd think some would be a bit more humble after that whiff.

Interesting piece from the NY Times on Bradford:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/10/sp...r=2&ref=sports

Gil Brandt says he's an easy top ten pick, and a scout says he's a "no brainer" #1 pick and compares him to Aikman.

It's interesting how people can watch the same tape and come away with such different conclusions.

"Oklahoma’s offense has kept him from facing much pass-rush pressure. "

um, this is exactly what this board has been saying forever....and now it is confirmed....

what's really funny is that there are people on this board who believe that Aikman was only a "game manager" and not a franchise QB...I wonder if any of those idiots are Bradford fans?

eazyb81 · 01-10-2009, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

"Oklahoma’s offense has kept him from facing much pass-rush pressure. "

um, this is exactly what this board has been saying forever....and now it is confirmed....

what's really funny is that there are people on this board who believe that Aikman was only a "game manager" and not a franchise QB...I wonder if any of those idiots are Bradford fans?

WTF are you babbling about with that last point?

The other part is that he's a "no brainer" #1 pick, yet the majority of this board acts like he's not even a 1st round pick this year. There's a disconnect here, and I'm pointing it out. Just like there was a disconnect last year when 99% of this board acted like Ryan would be the worst pick ever, and they were completely wrong.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-10-2009, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

WTF are you babbling about with that last point?

The other part is that he's a "no brainer" #1 pick,

In who's opinion? This ONE scout you reference? There's a combination of 4-5 guys that could end up being the 1st pick, and a lot of mocks reflect that.

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

yet the majority of this board acts like he's not even a 1st round pick this year.

Wow, talk about exaggeration. I've yet to see ANYONE who SERIOUSLY thinks the guy isn't a 1st round pick.

eazyb81 · 01-10-2009, 12:14 PM

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In who's opinion? This ONE scout you reference? There's a combination of 4-5 guys that could end up being the 1st pick, and a lot of mocks reflect that.

Yes. If he's going to bring up the system point, which has been discussed ad nauseum (and mainly incorrectly), then he should bring up the other point that this scout thinks he's a #1 overall pick.

Marcellus · 01-10-2009, 12:31 PM

I don't think any of the big 3 QB's is worthy of the 3rd pick but I am in the minority.

L.A. Chieffan · 01-10-2009, 12:34 PM

If Detroit was smart theyd grab TEbow before we do

**Baby Lee** · 01-10-2009, 01:52 PM

After eons and eons of discussion ad infinitum on this subject, has NO ONE even countenanced the merits of a good coach versus a blue chipper?
How many blue chippers did Walsh, Bellichik or Holmgren mentor?
Maybe the answer is to put a little more effort into examining the heads on the QBs shoulders, and who will be whispering in their ear day-in/day-out?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-10-2009, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

After eons and eons of discussion ad infinitum on this subject, has NO ONE even countenanced the merits of a good coach versus a blue chipper?
How many blue chippers did Walsh, Bellichik or Holmgren mentor?
Maybe the answer is to put a little more effort into examining the heads on the QBs shoulders, and who will be whispering in their ear day-in/day-out?

That's (coaching) absolutely an issue, and has been pointed out countless times to the people that think Matt Ryan would be the OROY regardless of where he played.

There are TONS of factors that come into play.

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