Mike Mayock comments on top 3 QBs. - Page 12

Chiefnj2 · 01-21-2010, 12:38 PM

Out of the 3 top qb's comming into the draft who can you see as the biggest RISK pick Bradford,Mccoy,Clausen?

Mike Mayock, NFL Network
Hey Fred, interesting question. I like Jimmy Clausen, but I see him as the biggest risk. Even though he comes out of a pro-style offense. Bradford is very, very solid. And I think McCoy is a little bit mroe of a developmental play, but easily the best athlete of the three. Clausen, for me, needs to be more consistent in the pocket and needs to make more consistent throws.

So, Mayock thinks Clausen is a bigger risk/bust potential than Bradford and McCoy.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-01-2011, 03:16 PM

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However, you are posting in the draft forum.

And that has exactly "what?" to do with moving around existing players on the offensive line?

Saccopoo · 02-01-2011, 04:20 PM

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While Albert and Richardson were far from perfect this past season, you know as well as anyone that the interior of the Chiefs offensive line was the real culprit in their failures to convert on third down and in short yardage situations.

Also, as much as I hope the Chiefs upgrade their center and right guard positions (with Asamoah, at least IMO, being an upgrade over Lilja), the Chiefs had the #1 rushing attack in the NFL and that line protected a mediocre QB with questionable decision making, yet threw for 27 TD's and 7 INT's.

I've said it before - the numbers are skewed. Look at the stats on the teams we faced this season. Horrible defensive lines that weren't very good against the run or rushing the quarterback. The ones that were were the ones that gave us the most problems.

In addition, the Chiefs, ran the ball more times than any other team in 2010, were also 29th in pass attempts, but yet were middle of the pack in terms of sacks allowed (20th) and quarterback hits (15th). That's shitty pass protection, especially considering that they focused on getting the ball out of Cassel's hands much faster this season and were constantly throwing quick screens, dumpoffs, etc., as well as running the ball nearly 100 attempts more than they passed the ball (556 rushes versus 475 pass attempts). That's shitty pass protection, period.

The 2011 schedule will not be as forgiving or complimentary to our offensive tackles as the 2010 schedule was. (And none of our tackles were very good last season.)

You don't think the tackles need upgrading? Fine. Tell me what you think after a season that is going to include Jared Allen, Julius Peppers, Kyle VanDenBosch, Clay Matthews, James Harrison, Dwight Freeney, Ndamukong Suh, Elvis Dumervil, and co. (And that also includes four games against the Raiders and Chargers, who were tied for second in the leagues in sacks last season.)

It's going to be a night and day difference from what we saw in 2010 versus 2011.

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Again, I hope the Chiefs upgrade the interior but they have far greater needs than offensive tackles.

I hope for your sake and everyone else's who thinks that there are more pressing needs than upgrading our offensive tackles, that Richardson and Albert are as good as you think that they are. They will certainly need to be to give the Chiefs a chance next season.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-01-2011, 04:50 PM

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You don't think the tackles need upgrading?

Is that what I said? No. What I said is that center is the most pressing need on the offensive line, followed by right guard and right tackle.

The right guard is currently on the roster in Asamoah. Waters has needed to be replaced since 2006 but for some reason (name only), he's appeared in two Pro Bowls since. I find it hard to believe that he'll be replaced in 2011.

Richardson continues to improve and if the Chiefs want an upgrade at the right tackle position, fine, draft a guy that will easily beat out Richardson and send him to the "swing" tackle position. I think the guy is better on the left side of the line, anyway.

All of that said, the Chiefs have pressing needs at WR, RB, OLB, ILB, NT and Center, along with depth everywhere, including QB, Safety and offensive line.

I seriously doubt they'll look to upgrade the left tackle position, regardless of your constant and never ending concern at that position.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-01-2011, 05:26 PM

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It speaks to what the team might be thinking about using him at a different position. I don't advocate moving him. I'm just trying to figure out whether or not it's plausible that the Chiefs might move him to Center. It seems odd to me that the Chiefs would mention that he practiced at Center in his profile (second sentence of the section, no less) if it didn't mean anything. That's not to say that it necessarily does mean something, but it provides a little insight.

No, you're imbuing it with insight for the purpose of a fruitless argument. Media guides/bios are filled with useless shit.

BigCatDaddy · 02-01-2011, 05:28 PM

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And that has exactly "what?" to do with moving around existing players on the offensive line?

If we were only talking about moving existing players around you might have a point, but since we weren't you don't.

BigCatDaddy · 02-01-2011, 05:30 PM

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No, you're imbuing it with insight for the purpose of a fruitless argument. Media guides/bios are filled with useless shit.

Because god knows a former college guard never played center for the Kansas City Chiefs in the last 3 years.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-01-2011, 05:34 PM

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If we were only talking about moving existing players around you might have a point, but since we weren't you don't.

What?

Are you functionally reeruned or do you just appear that way on the internet?

**SAUTO** · 02-01-2011, 05:37 PM

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Because god knows a former college guard never played center for the Kansas City Chiefs in the last 3 years.

god should also know that guy sucked
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ChiefsCountry · 02-01-2011, 05:40 PM

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god should also know that guy sucked
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BigCatDaddy · 02-01-2011, 05:44 PM

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Right, but he did play some at Center too in college. My bad on that one.

Anyways, we are going to see either Asamoah or Waters get a shot at C if we like it or not.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-01-2011, 05:49 PM

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Anyways, we are going to see either Asamoah or Waters get a shot at C if we like it or not.

JFC, you're possibly the dumbest mother****er I've seen post on the 'Planet in at least 9 months.

BigCatDaddy · 02-01-2011, 05:57 PM

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JFC, you're possibly the dumbest mother****er I've seen post on the 'Planet in at least 9 months.

Yeah, I heard that to when I said Lilja would step right in and about our starting RG when he was signed last year.

I heard

"He's too small to be a RG"

"He was just signed for depth"

"No way in hell does he start at RG after coming back from an injury"

"He played LG his entire career, no way he get's moved to RG"

I'll dig for the thread later.

BigCatDaddy · 02-01-2011, 06:12 PM

It's common sense.

Waters went to a pro bowl if he deserved it or not and all we heard all year is how the Colts ****ed up by not re-signing Lilja based on the way he was playing. Those guys are going to stay or 1 MAY get traded if the right deal was offered which I doubt.

You also don't sit your OG that you drafted at the top of the 3rd round for 2 years.

If all 3 are here, all 3 will be in the starting lineup one way or another.

The O Line way down the line on problems with this team and I wouldn't be suprised to see those 3 with the same 2 tackles from last year penciled in as the starting line in OTAs.

I'm projecting Albert, Asamoah, Waters, Lilja, Richardson.

Sorry guys.

bowener · 02-01-2011, 06:46 PM

Chiefs need a new center.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-01-2011, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Yeah, I heard that to when I said Lilja would step right in and about our starting RG when he was signed last year.

I heard

"He's too small to be a RG"

"He was just signed for depth"

"No way in hell does he start at RG after coming back from an injury"

"He played LG his entire career, no way he get's moved to RG"

I'll dig for the thread later.

And for the most part, those responses were correct.

Asamoah should have been the starting right guard in 2010, simply because he was ready and has far more potential than Lilja.

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Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6654388	Mike Mayock comments on top 3 QBs. Out of the 3 top qb's comming into the draft who can you see as the biggest RISK pick Bradford,Mccoy,Clausen? Mike Mayock, NFL Network Hey Fred, interesting question. I like Jimmy Clausen, but I see him as the biggest risk. Even though he comes out of a pro-style offense. Bradford is very, very solid. And I think McCoy is a little bit mroe of a developmental play, but easily the best athlete of the three. Clausen, for me, needs to be more consistent in the pocket and needs to make more consistent throws. So, Mayock thinks Clausen is a bigger risk/bust potential than Bradford and McCoy.
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BigCatDaddy The Beast Inside Your Head Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $-1850878	It's common sense. Waters went to a pro bowl if he deserved it or not and all we heard all year is how the Colts ***ed up by not re-signing Lilja based on the way he was playing. Those guys are going to stay or 1 MAY get traded if the right deal was offered which I doubt. You also don't sit your OG that you drafted at the top of the 3rd round for 2 years. If all 3 are here, all 3 will be in the starting lineup one way or another. The O Line way down the line on problems with this team and I wouldn't be suprised to see those 3 with the same 2 tackles from last year penciled in as the starting line in OTAs. I'm projecting Albert, Asamoah, Waters, Lilja, Richardson. Sorry guys. Last edited by BigCatDaddy; 02-01-2011 at 06:24 PM..*
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