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**Mr. Flopnuts** · 02-15-2010, 05:53 PM

This comes from someone who has been an incredibly reliable source on this site in the past. Take it for what's it's worth.

If Claussen falls to around the 20-25th pick the Chiefs may package their 2nd round picks to move up in the draft to take Claussen. Weiss is telling all teams that contact him about Claussen that he is the real deal. Claussen will play in the NFL for 10-15 years.

Weiss is not sold on Cassell. He feels that he may not have the mental tools to be a successful QB without better players around him. He feels that he has the physical tools, but lacks the mental discipline thats needed to play the position. Both Haley and Pioli think Cassell will work out fine.

So what is gonna happen? Weiss wants a quality backup in place behind Cassell to push him. Croyle is not that backup. Everyone at Arrrowhead knows Croyle is not a long term solution so he can't really push Cassell to excel.

Enter Brady Quinn. The Chiefs had talks with Cleveland a couple of weeks ago about a trade to KC. But, the Browns trade demands were really stupidly high so the talks went no where seriously. If the demands come down, Quinn will be a Chief.

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Now the rest of this info is from other sources so get out that shaker of salt to take wth this information. Compiled from 4 different sources.

Supposely Buffalo talked to the Chiefs about a trade for Croyle.

Cleveland wanted the 2nd round pick plus a 5th rounder for Quinn.

KC was willing to part with a 4th-5th rounder for Quinn. Which one would depend on playing time,

Weiss and Cassell talk almost every day on the phone and in person. Long talks.

Nothing new with the Bowe wants a new contract before the OTA's situation. But, the Chiefs have put out trade feelers to gauge interest in Bowe but most were 4th-5th rounders.

**DeezNutz** · 02-15-2010, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I don't think it's a secret that Clark Hunt would have liked to have kept Herm and felt guilty about pushing him out when Herm was promised time to gut the team. And one of those big decisions Herm made was to hire Chan Gailey, who would have been fired after one season. I doubt that he has the same kind of emotional attachment to Cassel. And I doubt he meddles much outside of the initial coaching decision.

When you're getting paid millions of dollars, I have no sympathy for people losing their jobs.

Don't get me wrong, I don't begrudge the money they make; it's fair and part of the league. But you can't feel "bad" for anyone who has lifetime security. Thus it's easier to make calculated business decisions.

There shouldn't be any emotional attachments, at least in theory.

**Iowanian** · 02-15-2010, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Wow, that's some list of excuses you just made.

What he really meant was "KEEP F-ING DOUBTING MATT CASSEL!!! F'in F'ER!"

Personally, I think most of the above listed possible situations are likely discussed and would be considered. It's due diligence for the team to evaluate the worth of some of their players, as well as inquire into possibilities to fill holes or improve the team.

I have no doubt they'd consider shopping DBowe or replacing Cassel.

Mecca · 02-15-2010, 08:48 PM

You don't think Clark felt more bad that he had to pay guys that weren't working for the team anymore?

Ralphy Boy · 02-15-2010, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

If we follow Pioli's history, he likes to take QBs around the 2nd or 3rd. And frankly, I think there are a lot of teams that will be afraid to rate Clausen as a legit top 10 pick. Question that decision all you want. But that's a very different reason.

When has Pioli taken a QB in the 2nd?

Kevin O'Connell 3rd round, 2008
Matt Cassel 7th round 2005
Kliff Kingsbury 6th round 2003
Rohan Davey 4th round 2002
Tom Brady 6th round 2000

One QB in the 3rd round. Wow, what a history. I'd say his history is taking QB's on the 2nd day of the draft, like he did 4 out of the 5 times he drafted one.

TRR · 02-15-2010, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

LOL, did that offend you? Or were you just trying to discredit my post because you don't agree with it? Stay classy.

I think the word idiotic sums it up best.
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**DeezNutz** · 02-15-2010, 08:51 PM

The one thing that I liked best about the Pioli hire at the time was that he seemed to understand the importance of the QB position. Even with established starters, he kept drafting QBs, so that there was the hope of developing the next starter in the pipeline. This is a fantastic approach, and one that we need to emulate.

And then he went vintage Carl...

chiefzilla1501 · 02-15-2010, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

When you're getting paid millions of dollars, I have no sympathy for people losing their jobs.

Don't get me wrong, I don't begrudge the money they make; it's fair and part of the league. But you can't feel "bad" for anyone who has lifetime security. Thus it's easier to make calculated business decisions.

There shouldn't be any emotional attachments, at least in theory.

You don't have to feel sorry for Herm. But from Clark Hunt's perspective, given that Herm completely gutted the team, I can't imagine he would have done so unless he received some kind of assurance that his job would be safe in 2009 regardless of how many wins the team had.

It's not as much about Herm as much as it is about Hunt. With Herm/Gailey, I imagine he feels like he broke a promise. That's why I think he was a lot more involved with the coaching decision than with players. I don't see any players on this roster who Clark Hunt refused to let Pioli cut because of emotionality.

TRR · 02-15-2010, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Iowanian

What he really meant was "KEEP F-ING DOUBTING MATT CASSEL!!! F'in F'ER!"
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And boy was I right on.
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chiefzilla1501 · 02-15-2010, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Ralphy Boy

When has Pioli taken a QB in the 2nd?

Kevin O'Connell 3rd round, 2008
Matt Cassel 7th round 2005
Kliff Kingsbury 6th round 2003
Rohan Davey 4th round 2002
Tom Brady 6th round 2000

One QB in the 3rd round. Wow, what a history. I'd say his history is taking QB's on the 2nd day of the draft, like he did 4 out of the 5 times he drafted one.

Wow, I was completely wrong on that.

Served.

Mecca · 02-15-2010, 08:54 PM

I personally think if the Chiefs dressed up a giant turd sandwich as QB, TRR would tell us how it's going to be a pro bowler one day.

**DeezNutz** · 02-15-2010, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

You don't have to feel sorry for Herm. But from Clark Hunt's perspective, given that Herm completely gutted the team, I can't imagine he would have done so unless he received some kind of assurance that his job would be safe in 2009 regardless of how many wins the team had.

It's not as much about Herm as much as it is about Hunt. With Herm/Gailey, I imagine he feels like he broke a promise. That's why I think he was a lot more involved with the coaching decision than with players. I don't see any players on this roster who Clark Hunt refused to let Pioli cut because of emotionality.

Yeah, I could understand that perspective. If he promised something, it would be very difficult, to say the least, to break his word.

TRR · 02-15-2010, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I personally think if the Chiefs dressed up a giant turd sandwich as QB, TRR would tell us how it's going to be a pro bowler one day.

What's your credentials for judging an NFL QB? Same as mine I would imagine.

My opinion of Cassel (and any NFL QB) is that you have to have consistent pieces around him to be successful. Until Cassel has that, you can't judge him.

Am I saying he's a future Hall of Famer or Pro Bowler? Not at all. I'm saying let's be a bit patient, and see what he can do when he is afforded a bit more time and consistency in offensive philosophies and personel.
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Mecca · 02-15-2010, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TRR

What's your credentials for judging an NFL QB? Same as mine I would imagine.

My opinion of Cassel (and any NFL QB) is that you have to have consistent pieces around him to be successful. Until Cassel has that, you can't judge him.

Am I saying he's a future Hall of Famer or Pro Bowler? Not at all. I'm saying let's be a bit patient, and see what he can do when he is afforded a bit more time and consistency in offensive philosophies and personel.
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I think it's because you once said....this...

And who would that QB be? There isn't a Peyton Manning or Carson Palmer in the 2008 draft. Matt Ryan, Brian Brohm, and Andre Woodson would all be very late 1st, if not 2nd round selections in almost any other years draft.

Unfortanely IMO, Ryan and the bunch don't bring much more to the table than Croyle, especially if the O Line is not rebuilt.

ChiefsCountry · 02-15-2010, 09:02 PM

If I was Clark Hunt I would have fired Pioli the second after he made that trade, or just slapped the shit out of him the moment he propsed it.

Mecca · 02-15-2010, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

If I was Clark Hunt I would have fired Pioli the second after he made that trade, or just slapped the shit out of him the moment he propsed it.

WTF, do you think you're Carl Peterson? I just fired that dipshit and now you make a move he would make!

02-15-2010, 05:53 PM
Mr. Flopnuts FINALLY! The wait is over. Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Future Is Now!!! Casino cash: $19947565	Interesting Chiefs News This comes from someone who has been an incredibly reliable source on this site in the past. Take it for what's it's worth. If Claussen falls to around the 20-25th pick the Chiefs may package their 2nd round picks to move up in the draft to take Claussen. Weiss is telling all teams that contact him about Claussen that he is the real deal. Claussen will play in the NFL for 10-15 years. Weiss is not sold on Cassell. He feels that he may not have the mental tools to be a successful QB without better players around him. He feels that he has the physical tools, but lacks the mental discipline thats needed to play the position. Both Haley and Pioli think Cassell will work out fine. So what is gonna happen? Weiss wants a quality backup in place behind Cassell to push him. Croyle is not that backup. Everyone at Arrrowhead knows Croyle is not a long term solution so he can't really push Cassell to excel. Enter Brady Quinn. The Chiefs had talks with Cleveland a couple of weeks ago about a trade to KC. But, the Browns trade demands were really stupidly high so the talks went no where seriously. If the demands come down, Quinn will be a Chief. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Now the rest of this info is from other sources so get out that shaker of salt to take wth this information. Compiled from 4 different sources. Supposely Buffalo talked to the Chiefs about a trade for Croyle. Cleveland wanted the 2nd round pick plus a 5th rounder for Quinn. KC was willing to part with a 4th-5th rounder for Quinn. Which one would depend on playing time, Weiss and Cassell talk almost every day on the phone and in person. Long talks. Nothing new with the Bowe wants a new contract before the OTA's situation. But, the Chiefs have put out trade feelers to gauge interest in Bowe but most were 4th-5th rounders.
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