Chiefs Rick Gosselin draft grade: Chiefs get A+ - Page 12

**dirk digler** · 04-25-2010, 08:04 AM

I was pretty down on this draft outside of Berry but maybe I am just stupid.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...s.3f4b050.html

KANSAS CITY CHIEFS GRADE: A+

The Chiefs drafted the NFL defensive rookie of the year in Berry – and a slew of other good players. Arenas was the best returner in the draft, and McCluster will give the AFC matchup problems at both running back and receiver.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-25-2010, 02:00 PM

And Dane, the only TE in this draft with gigantic upside was Jimmy Graham, not Tony Moeaki.

Titty Meat · 04-25-2010, 02:01 PM

And why the **** didn't we draft Freddie Barnes?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-25-2010, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Did the Bengals move Munoz to right tackle because Esiason was a lefty?

Regardless of whether or not the QB is left handed or righthanded, you still need an elite left tackle to match up against an elite RDE.

The Saints did it with Roaf when Aaron Brooks played QB for them.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-25-2010, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

Dane I disagree with you the Arenas pick was ****ing horrible. For ****s sake they could have traded back and drafted Arenas. And Pioli has traded how many picks to draft tight ends?

I don't subscribe to the "Trade back" and get your guy theory.

If he's YOUR GUY, get him. If YOU think you're right about a player, get him while you can. Don't take a chance.

As for tight ends, it's hard NOT to like this guy. He's had some bad luck but nothing serious (i.e. ACL's, MCL's, etc.). I think they want a Mark Bavaro/Dallas Clark type of guy on offense and no one on the roster fits that bill.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-25-2010, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

And why the **** didn't we draft Freddie Barnes?

Look, I would have loved if we would have drafted Freddie Barnes, but I'm not going to flip my shit over it.

It would have been nice if Pioli would have put in a call rather than holding a PC during the time in which GMs are most active trying to bring in UDFAs, but the odds of getting him at that point were very low.

What I'm much more upset about is that virtually everyone on this forum agreed with the Berry pick, and then because of that, completely turned off their brains and rationalized every other pick because of the Berry pick.

The disappointment doesn't come from "a" guy not being picked, it's that with every post-Berry pick save for Asamoah, you could list 10-15 guys who we should have taken instead of the guys we did.

And if anyone wants me to list them, I will.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-25-2010, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The Saints did it with Roaf when Aaron Brooks played QB for them.

Well then, I guess McDaniels do that, but I'd be surprised.

I know everyone here is laughing at McDaniels but at least he's rebuilding the team exactly as he sees fit. Hopefully, it doesn't work but I give him credit for putting his ass on the line.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-25-2010, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

And Dane, the only TE in this draft with gigantic upside was Jimmy Graham, not Tony Moeaki.

You think there is no chance for Moeaki to be a productive, successful TE, injuries aside?

Titty Meat · 04-25-2010, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Look, I would have loved if we would have drafted Freddie Barnes, but I'm not going to flip my shit over it.

It would have been nice if Pioli would have put in a call rather than holding a PC during the time in which GMs are most active trying to bring in UDFAs, but the odds of getting him at that point were very low.

What I'm much more upset about is that virtually everyone on this forum agreed with the Berry pick, and then because of that, completely turned off their brains and rationalized every other pick because of the Berry pick.

The disappointment doesn't come from "a" guy not being picked, it's that with every post-Berry pick save for Asamoah, you could list 10-15 guys who we should have taken instead of the guys we did.

And if anyone wants me to list them, I will.

I don't care we didn't draft him I meant why didn't we sign him as a UFDA instead of Menelik ****ing Holt? Who is the regional scout because he ****ing sucks. We could have also signed Matt O'Hanlon who will be better than that turd safety they drafted.

I didn't turn anything off though Hamas. At first I was pissed about McCluster but if you really think about it he'll be a good player. As for Arenas that was a horrible ****ing pick. He's undersized and slow. You can draft a good kick returner in the later rounds.

Titty Meat · 04-25-2010, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I don't subscribe to the "Trade back" and get your guy theory.

If he's YOUR GUY, get him. If YOU think you're right about a player, get him while you can. Don't take a chance.

As for tight ends, it's hard NOT to like this guy. He's had some bad luck but nothing serious (i.e. ACL's, MCL's, etc.). I think they want a Mark Bavaro/Dallas Clark type of guy on offense and no one on the roster fits that bill.

Yea but there guy sucks.

As for the tight end it looks like the guy can't even stay on his feet injuries aside. I'm tired of drafting all these fragile guys. If a guy doesn't stay healthy in college he won't stay healthy in the NFL.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-25-2010, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Look, I would have loved if we would have drafted Freddie Barnes, but I'm not going to flip my shit over it.

It would have been nice if Pioli would have put in a call rather than holding a PC during the time in which GMs are most active trying to bring in UDFAs, but the odds of getting him at that point were very low.

What I'm much more upset about is that virtually everyone on this forum agreed with the Berry pick, and then because of that, completely turned off their brains and rationalized every other pick because of the Berry pick.

The disappointment doesn't come from "a" guy not being picked, it's that with every post-Berry pick save for Asamoah, you could list 10-15 guys who we should have taken instead of the guys we did.

And if anyone wants me to list them, I will.

Well, I really liked round two and don't feel like I've turned my brain off.

I just happen to believe there are different ways of building a football team.

If Pioli had chosen an ILB and NT, I'd have supported those decisions. Instead, he chose a couple of very dynamic playmakers. Now, you can say he should have waited, got better value, blah, blah, blah. The reality of that opinion is that it can't be proven at this point in time.

If Belcher, Mays, Smith, etc. all improve their play this year while Arenas and McCluster provide game winning plays or consistent playmaking from this positions, it'll prove to be an excellent decision.

If McCluster and Arenas perform as expected but the middle of the defense is still soft, it'll need to be addressed in 2011, just as Pioli planned.

If the defense doesn't improve and McCluster and Arenas both totally suck ass, then we can complain that Pioli ****ed up.

But I'm not going to complain now because the biggest thing lacking from this team last year were playmakers. And it appears that Pioli drafted a few. I have difficulty faulting him at this point in time.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-25-2010, 02:14 PM

And for the record, this is the second year in a row that this is happened, so everyone should plainly expect it in 2011 too.

The team drafts, and 90% of the fans fall over backwards fellating the front office.

Why? Because you can't see the results on the field. All the propaganda that the FO puts out about "The Right 53", the process, etc can't yet be rebutted because the players haven't shown their inability on the field.

Then, the games roll around (and not the PS fluff fests). The team gets it shit pushed in, and the same people who spent all that time fellating the FO now remain silent because they see the failure on the field. But they take all the criticism of the FO personally and they're pissed that they were wrong. Next draft rolls around, and so does the next propaganda campaign.

And what do you have? Hootie going from "disgusted" to comparing McCluster to Desean Jackson, Percy Harvin, and Wes Welker in five minutes. Javier Arenas turns into Devin Hester. McCluster (and look in the draft thread) changes from "McCluster****" to a dynamic playmaker over the course of four hours.

It's just like what Hermann Goering said about getting the common man to buy into war.

Of course you don't want to have a shitty football team. No one does. And you don't want to have a shitty draft. But it seems quite easy, after the initial reaction, to rationalize and therefore hope that the team you rooted for made the right decisions. Not because they are the right decisions, but because the thought of confronting the incompetence of the front office and realizing that this team will never win anything as long as Scott Pioli is GM is too difficult to comprehend.

Most people are still on first "D" of DABDA.

Titty Meat · 04-25-2010, 02:15 PM

Whats wrong with drafting a playmaer Hamas?

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-25-2010, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

Yea but there guy sucks.

As for the tight end it looks like the guy can't even stay on his feet injuries aside. I'm tired of drafting all these fragile guys. If a guy doesn't stay healthy in college he won't stay healthy in the NFL.

Broken feet and ankles don't mean that someone's fragile. It's just bad luck.

As for your proclamation that McCluster & Arenas "suck", I think you and a few other Chiefsplanet members are in an extremely small minority in that thought.

Both of those guys were ****ing playmakers, big time.

Gruden compares Arenas to Ronde Barber and I'll take that any day of the week.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-25-2010, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

I don't care we didn't draft him I meant why didn't we sign him as a UFDA instead of Menelik ****ing Holt? Who is the regional scout because he ****ing sucks. We could have also signed Matt O'Hanlon who will be better than that turd safety they drafted.

I didn't turn anything off though Hamas. At first I was pissed about McCluster but if you really think about it he'll be a good player. As for Arenas that was a horrible ****ing pick. He's undersized and slow. You can draft a good kick returner in the later rounds.

I wasn't talking about you, specifically, billay. You're one of the few who has remained relatively true to your convictions.

Titty Meat · 04-25-2010, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Broken feet and ankles don't mean that someone's fragile. It's just bad luck.

As for your proclamation that McCluster & Arenas "suck", I think you and a few other Chiefsplanet members are in an extremely small minority in that thought.

Both of those guys were ****ing playmakers, big time.

Wait a minute I didn't say McCluster sucked I like Mccluster. Arenas ****ing sucks.

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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	And for the record, this is the second year in a row that this is happened, so everyone should plainly expect it in 2011 too. The team drafts, and 90% of the fans fall over backwards fellating the front office. Why? Because you can't see the results on the field. All the propaganda that the FO puts out about "The Right 53", the process, etc can't yet be rebutted because the players haven't shown their inability on the field. Then, the games roll around (and not the PS fluff fests). The team gets it shit pushed in, and the same people who spent all that time fellating the FO now remain silent because they see the failure on the field. But they take all the criticism of the FO personally and they're pissed that they were wrong. Next draft rolls around, and so does the next propaganda campaign. And what do you have? Hootie going from "disgusted" to comparing McCluster to Desean Jackson, Percy Harvin, and Wes Welker in five minutes. Javier Arenas turns into Devin Hester. McCluster (and look in the draft thread) changes from "McCluster***" to a dynamic playmaker over the course of four hours. It's just like what Hermann Goering said about getting the common man to buy into war. Of course you don't want to have a shitty football team. No one does. And you don't want to have a shitty draft. But it seems quite easy, after the initial reaction, to rationalize and therefore hope that the team you rooted for made the right decisions. Not because they are* the right decisions, but because the thought of confronting the incompetence of the front office and realizing that this team will never win anything as long as Scott Pioli is GM is too difficult to comprehend. Most people are still on first "D" of DABDA. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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