Chiefs Berry is a bust - Page 12

keg in kc · 09-21-2010, 09:45 AM

Two days in a row Petro has beat this drum. He's just burying Eric Berry (Berry-ing him?)

Good grief.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-21-2010, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou

The rule of thumb is that you judge a draft class after about three seasons, right?

Yes and no.

And extraordinary amount of 2009 draftees are already on the street and with different teams.

By the end of Week One in the NFL, the 2010 draftees scored more touchdowns than the entire 2009 class combined throughout the 16 game season.

Some years, the draft classes are stronger than other years.

Mecca · 09-21-2010, 10:01 PM

You can generally make educated guesses based on pedigree, anyone jumping to conclusions with what Berry's pedigree is on how he sucks already is completely misinformed.

This is Petro stumping a point that he made a long time ago about not using high picks on safeties. He's ripping on Berry as a '"I told you so" type of deal.

Saccopoo · 09-21-2010, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Finding a starting center will be easy.

Yeah...he's right next to that winning Powerball ticket you've got laying on the kitchen counter. Finding a starting center was so easy, we had to beg a 38 year old Weigmann back to cover for the guy who Herm envisioned as the starting center.

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And replacing Waters, who's play has dropped off considerably each year won't be difficult, either. As a matter of fact, Lilja could take over now. Asamoah at right guard. Done.

I'm hoping that Asamoah will be that LG. He's a power player, a lot like Waters, and would be a better transition next to Albert. Lilja has proven himself to be a quality RG and I'd rather have Asamoah, as a rook, learn the new spot than teach an old dog new tricks.

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Have you looked around the league and watched teams with good QB's play? Do you think that Brees or Rodgers or Peyton Manning or Schaub or any other number of "Franchise QB's" are playing behind an offensive line that's better than the current Chiefs?

Yeah, they are. The Chiefs offensive line, interior wise, is greatly improved with getting Weigmann back (which I thought was a complete **** up move by Carl and Herm getting rid of him in the first place) as well as Lilja (again, nice job Carl). However, both are running on skill alone and I worry about both wearing down over the course of a season as they are both undersized and need to be pulling and trapping more than drive blocking, which they've been doing to this point supporting the establishment of the run with Jones.

And let's be honest - Cassel isn't good. We all know he holds onto the ball far too long. He doesn't see the field very well. He floats his passes. He doesn't lead his receivers properly. He looks for the checkdown immediately off the #1 receiver per the play call. I do like his size and athletic ability, but he is simply a bigger version of Damon Huard - a nice guy to have as the #2 guy on the roster.

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If so, you're unbelievably wrong.

They do have better offensive lines. Lilja got kicked to the curb by the Colts because he couldn't hold off the Saints defensive line. Weigmann got released by the Doncs because he was too old - after we released him because he was too old. Waters is a shell of his former self - a guy that made a name playing besides a young Weigmann (who, at the time, was the most underrated OL in the NFL) and Big Willie Roaf. And those are our best linemen. I won't comment on the tackles because I know you've watched the games and are intelligent and can make your own objective analysis.

They also have substantially better quarterbacks. Manning might have the quickest release of any quarterback that's ever played the game. Brees is right up there in terms of his release and accuracy. Rogers has an absolute cannon that allows him to hold onto the ball. Schaub had people in Atlanta wanting to make Mike Vick a tailback due to his accuracy and patience.

Unfortunately, we don't have that at QB. You get lucky as hell getting that at QB. Cassel was the best thing that year at QB in terms of free agency or the draft. The Chiefs needed a quarterback in the worst way as they didn't know if Croyle would play again due to the knee/leg injury and the rest of the Chiefs QB's suck donkey nuts. It was Cassel and nobody else. And they put him behind a shit dick offensive line. The results were completely predictable and obvious.

Now the guy is suffering from a little Dave Carr syndrome and is doing what the OC says in terms of getting the ball out quick. (And that's been a struggle as well. I screamed at the TV multiple times on Sunday for him to get rid of/pass the ****ing ball.) The O-line held off the Browns well enough. However, the Browns have shit for a pass rush. In fact, the Chargers have shit for a pass rush.

We'll see how your vaunted Chiefs offensive line holds up against the Niners come Sunday.

Chiefs Pantalones · 09-21-2010, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

Two days in a row Petro has beat this drum. He's just burying Eric Berry (Berry-ing him?)

Good grief.

lol was he serious?

Mecca · 09-21-2010, 10:04 PM

We have the center situation we do because they have done nothing to address it. Starting center is not a hard position to fill if you actually try to fill it.

**KcMizzou** · 09-21-2010, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yes and no.

And extraordinary amount of 2009 draftees are already on the street and with different teams.

By the end of Week One in the NFL, the 2010 draftees scored more touchdowns than the entire 2009 class combined throughout the 16 game season.

Some years, the draft classes are stronger than other years.

That's a valid point. It's tough to defend the '09 class. I'm still hopeful about Tyson Jackson... but other than that... well, we got Succop.

Calling Berry a bust right now makes no sense. I'm 100% happy with that pick. He's a stud... but he's still a rookie. He'll be fine.

Saccopoo · 09-21-2010, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

I see Saccobullshit is in full force again.

Thank god I have that cockbag on ignore.

You have me on ignore because you are ****ing too stupid to actually debate anything I say.

Trading posts with you and keg and Hootie is like trying to talk to a belligerent five year old. Unless you give it candy and pat it on it's head, you aren't going to get anything out of it but negativism. And I ain't going to be giving you a Dum-Dum sucker anytime soon you piece of monkey shit.

Mecca · 09-21-2010, 10:10 PM

Cheer up man, maybe we can draft Kris O'Dowd.

Crush · 09-21-2010, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Dayze

speaking of Radio d-bags...
anyone ever catch that collssal D-bag radio host from Pittsburgh on the "Top 10" lists on NFL?

I think his last name is madden (...and not THE madden, obviously).

that guy is a COMPLETE tool.

**Mark Madden**

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He's the slovenly looking guy with the beard, right? Why do people like that get jobs in media? Whenever they put him on, I head to the fridge or the kitchen. He's got no knowledge or appreciation of football outside Pittsburgh, and yet somehow has the impression that he's the greatest football expert ever. Stupid is bad enough, but stupid and arrogant is inexcusable.

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affirmative.
..and 100% agree.

Mark Madden is the True Fan of World Championship Wrestling. He is easy to deal with. Just show him a picture of Tank Abbot. Problem solved.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-21-2010, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Yeah...he's right next to that winning Powerball ticket you've got laying on the kitchen counter. Finding a starting center was so easy, we had to beg a 38 year old Weigmann back to cover for the guy who Herm envisioned as the starting center.

Oh, just stop it. The Chiefs didn't make center a priority in the draft because they nabbed Weigman in free agency. Hell, the Chiefs haven't drafted a center since 1990!

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I'm hoping that Asamoah will be that LG. He's a power player, a lot like Waters, and would be a better transition next to Albert. Lilja has proven himself to be a quality RG and I'd rather have Asamoah, as a rook, learn the new spot than teach an old dog new tricks.

****ing dumb.

Asamoah was a four year starter at right guard. Why the **** would you move HIM to accommodate a veteran?

Dumb, dumb, dumb.

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Yeah, they are. The Chiefs offensive line, interior wise, is greatly improved with getting Weigmann back (which I thought was a complete **** up move by Carl and Herm getting rid of him in the first place) as well as Lilja (again, nice job Carl). However, both are running on skill alone and I worry about both wearing down over the course of a season as they are both undersized and need to be pulling and trapping more than drive blocking, which they've been doing to this point supporting the establishment of the run with Jones.

You're worried?

Just stop it, Dude. They'll be fine.

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

They do have better offensive lines. Lilja got kicked to the curb by the Colts because he couldn't hold off the Saints defensive line. Weigmann got released by the Doncs because he was too old - after we released him because he was too old. Waters is a shell of his former self - a guy that made a name playing besides a young Weigmann (who, at the time, was the most underrated OL in the NFL) and Big Willie Roaf. And those are our best linemen. I won't comment on the tackles because I know you've watched the games and are intelligent and can make your own objective analysis.

My "analysis" is completely different than yours. The 2010 line is FINE. They need to move Lilja to LG and Asamoah to RG in 2011 and either draft or acquire a younger center.

DONE.

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

They also have substantially better quarterbacks. Manning might have the quickest release of any quarterback that's ever played the game. Brees is right up there in terms of his release and accuracy. Rogers has an absolute cannon that allows him to hold onto the ball. Schaub had people in Atlanta wanting to make Mike Vick a tailback due to his accuracy and patience.

Duh.

And the Chiefs will most likely have a new starter in 2011. Hell, they may have a new starter in 2010.

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Unfortunately, we don't have that at QB. You get lucky as hell getting that at QB. Cassel was the best thing that year at QB in terms of free agency or the draft. The Chiefs needed a quarterback in the worst way as they didn't know if Croyle would play again due to the knee/leg injury and the rest of the Chiefs QB's suck donkey nuts. It was Cassel and nobody else. And they put him behind a shit dick offensive line. The results were completely predictable and obvious.

JFC, You DO NOT build an offensive line and THEN add a "Franchise QB".

Anyone of those guys I mentioned (Manning, Manning, Schaub, Rodgers, Brees, Rivers, Ryan, Romo, Brady etc.) would start behind this line with NO issues.

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Now the guy is suffering from a little Dave Carr syndrome and is doing what the OC says in terms of getting the ball out quick. (And that's been a struggle as well. I screamed at the TV multiple times on Sunday for him to get rid of/pass the ****ing ball.) The O-line held off the Browns well enough. However, the Browns have shit for a pass rush. In fact, the Chargers have shit for a pass rush.

Bullshit. He was sacked 47 times in New England behind the same line in which Tom Brady was sacked only 21 times.

Rodgers was sacked 50 times last year. Does he have "David Carr Syndrome"?

No.

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We'll see how your vaunted Chiefs offensive line holds up against the Niners come Sunday.

They've held up fine against the Browns and Chargers. IF they get to Cassel it'll be for the usual reason: He holds on to the ball for an extraordinarily lengthy amount of time.

He sucks ass and is dragging the offense down with him.

milkman · 09-21-2010, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

You have me on ignore because you are ****ing too stupid to actually debate anything I say.

Trading posts with you and keg and Hootie is like trying to talk to a belligerent five year old. Unless you give it candy and pat it on it's head, you aren't going to get anything out of it but negativism. And I ain't going to be giving you a Dum-Dum sucker anytime soon you piece of monkey shit.

The fact that you have issues with keg speaks to your level of intelligence.

Saccopoo · 09-21-2010, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Cheer up man, maybe we can draft Kris O'Dowd.

He's long gone before this regime decides to pick an offensive lineman and you know it.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-21-2010, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou

Calling Berry a bust right now makes no sense. I'm 100% happy with that pick. He's a stud... but he's still a rookie. He'll be fine.

If a Chiefsplanet member called Berry a bust, he should be banned for a year.

Petro? He's just trying to stir up controversy so people will listen to his show.

He can't be that dumb. At least I hope not.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-21-2010, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

He's long gone before this regime decides to pick an offensive lineman and you know it.

And that's because they have FAR greater needs.

milkman · 09-21-2010, 10:17 PM

Peyton Manning had plenty of time in the pocket against the Saints in the SB.

Ryan Lilja was available because Bill Polian had to find someone to deflect blame away from Manning for that loss.

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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-702950	You can generally make educated guesses based on pedigree, anyone jumping to conclusions with what Berry's pedigree is on how he sucks already is completely misinformed. This is Petro stumping a point that he made a long time ago about not using high picks on safeties. He's ripping on Berry as a '"I told you so" type of deal.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-702950	We have the center situation we do because they have done nothing to address it. Starting center is not a hard position to fill if you actually try to fill it.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-702950	Cheer up man, maybe we can draft Kris O'Dowd.
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milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	Peyton Manning had plenty of time in the pocket against the Saints in the SB. Ryan Lilja was available because Bill Polian had to find someone to deflect blame away from Manning for that loss. __________________
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