Seriously,if the Chiefs...

[Nzoner]

somehow someway land Peyton Manning I will be done as a fan until his tenure is over.I can't really explain it except to say my dislike for him and his family runs very deep and there is no way I could ever cheer for or back him.

Anyone else have similar feelings or would you be all for seeing him in a KC uniform?

His regular season success, though, does not mean that the future Hall of Famer should be absolved from criticism for his team’s repeated failures in January.

He has racked up seven one-and-done postseason exits—the most of any quarterback in NFL history. Overall, he owns a 9-10 record in 11 playoff appearances, whereas Eli is an incredible 9-3 with two Super Bowl MVP awards.

[Nzoner]

Originally Posted by Buck

You'll come around. It's the name on the front of the jersey, not the back, that you love.

I'll just believe it's not gonna happen and if it does it's not gonna happen.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Nzoner

So whether it makes sense or not,I could really give 2 shits,as a Manning hater it just wouldn't feel right but alas I realize we now live in an instantaneous society and dammit WE WANT IT NOW,no matter the cost.

You might have a point, except for the fact that I'm nearly 40 and WASN'T ALIVE the last time the Chiefs were in the Super Bowl.

The idea that we, as Chiefs fans, are somehow spoiled or entitled and have no patience, is pure, unadulterated HORSE SHIT.

[Nzoner]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

You might have a point, except for the fact that I'm nearly 40 and WASN'T ALIVE the last time the Chiefs were in the Super Bowl.

The idea that we, as Chiefs fans, are somehow spoiled or entitled and have no patience, is pure, unadulterated HORSE SHIT.

Absolutely agree and anyone who really knows me knows the love I have for my team and how I so want to experience that feeling I felt in 1985 watching the Royals become World Champs.

My frustration really comes as I look at owners like Kraft,Jones,Benson and what they have done and continue to do to try and maintain a level of contention and then look at our ownership and all I can do is

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Nzoner

I won't reply with a crass comeback but did want to try and explain myself a bit further.I'll use the Steelers SB win against Seattle when the NFL actually came out and apologized after the game for the officiating,if I were a Steelers fan that title just wouldn't feel right.

So whether it makes sense or not,I could really give 2 shits,as a Manning hater it just wouldn't feel right but alas I realize we now live in an instantaneous society and dammit WE WANT IT NOW,no matter the cost.

I 'wanted it now' 20 years ago. And what is the cost? We're not selling our soul here... we're not signing a murderer or a registered sex offender. And I think the term "setting the franchise back x years" kind of goes out the window after several years of not winning a playoff game.

Originally Posted by htismaqe

You might have a point, except for the fact that I'm nearly 40 and WASN'T ALIVE the last time the Chiefs were in the Super Bowl.

The idea that we, as Chiefs fans, are somehow spoiled or entitled and have no patience, is pure, unadulterated HORSE SHIT.

Someone over the holidays was trying to tell me I'm a bandwagon fan for selling tickets for a bunch of games this year and not watching every game. All I could do was laugh at them, which was kind of awkward since I had just met them... but WTF?

If I wanted to jump on a bandwagon, the Patriots beating the Raiders and Rams to win the SB was perfect... I had my chance.

[1ChiefsDan]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

"Manning had neck surgery Sept. 8, the third and most invasive procedure he'd had in 19 months. Doctors fused two of Manning's vertebrae together, hoping that would fix a damaged nerve that caused weakness in Manning's throwing arm."

I'm not sure why you think the neck and arm issues are completely independent. They are not.

They are not. I had almost the same surgery (3 vertabrae fused - C5, C6 and C7) because the two discs had herniated - both into nerve canals and one double herniated putting pressure on the spinal cord.

Definately causes pain, numbness and weakness in the arm - the C5-C7 specifically affects the right arm according to my doctor.

I had the anterior surgery done in April. 4 months later the pain and numbness came back. In Ocotober I had both the anterior and posterior surgery done. Now I have a plate on the front spine covering the 3 vertebrate, 2 rods on the back of the spine covering all 3 and bone with metal rods embeded in place of the discs.

Only been a couple of months, but no pain or numbness in the arm, but the neck is (and will most likely always be) sore.

[Nzoner]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Someone over the holidays was trying to tell me I'm a bandwagon fan for selling tickets for a bunch of games this year and not watching every game. All I could do was laugh at them, which was kind of awkward since I had just met them... but WTF?

As you may recall I was a STH for 13 years well one weekend during one of our frustrating seasons we went to the game and decided to just party in the lot and not even go inside as a way of saying fock you to ownership as frustrated fans,we wouldn't even sell the tickets.Yes,they still got our money but wth it made us feel better,so I say to you,do whatever makes you feel good.

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by Demonpenz

No matter the hate, I think it would be too much fun watching him running the show.

Damn straight! I would love to see the Peyton eyes roll look over at whoever our OC at the time(WTF are you thinking look) and call his own play for a TD!!

[-King-]

This thread could get interesting in a week or two...

[TEX]

Originally Posted by Nzoner

somehow someway land Peyton Manning I will be done as a fan until his tenure is over.I can't really explain it except to say my dislike for him and his family runs very deep and there is no way I could ever cheer for or back him.

Anyone else have similar feelings or would you be all for seeing him in a KC uniform?

DUMB!

[Bump]

Originally Posted by TEX

DUMB!

seriously. I bet that hate would turn to love after Manning won us a Superbowl. I don't care if Bill Romanoski or Shannon Sharpe (2 of my most hated ever) could suit up at QB and take us to the promised land, I'd be all over their jock afterwards.

[Wallcrawler]

You have to make a move. Nearly 20 years and no playoff wins, and inconsistent seasons show that the way things have been done is not going to work, and will not work.

Cassel had his shot, and he blew it harder than Peter North over Jenna Jameson's heartbreaker tattoo.

This year, it looks like there are two options for the Chiefs to improve the most vital part of the football team.

You sink this draft, and part of (if not all) of next year's draft to move up to 2 and take Griffin. Doing that likely costs players as well.

You bring in Griffin. Great. Now, without Bowe to throw to or Albert protecting him, what is he going to get done? Youre left in free agency limbo to try to address the needs to build around this kid. Result: Chiefs suck for probably 2 years and get nothing in the draft to show for it, while the Rams live like kings.

Or you bring in Manning.

Lets cut the bullshit. Obviously, Manning is going to have to pass a physical and demonstrate he has the tools to do what needs to be done before he gets signed.

We sign Manning, and we still have pretty good position in the draft to get him some help. We've got some cash to throw at some free agents that could help out further.


How would bringing in Manning for a few seasons while retaining our drafts set the team back?

The way I see it, if you go all in for RG3 you do more to potentially set the team back than you do to help it. Sacrificing 2 drafts, key players, likely getting into cap hell because of all the scrapping youre gonna have to do in free agency to get this kid some help.

Get #18 in red, ASAP.

[Sofa King]

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

You have to make a move. Nearly 20 years and no playoff wins, and inconsistent seasons show that the way things have been done is not going to work, and will not work.

Cassel had his shot, and he blew it harder than Peter North over Jenna Jameson's heartbreaker tattoo.

This year, it looks like there are two options for the Chiefs to improve the most vital part of the football team.

You sink this draft, and part of (if not all) of next year's draft to move up to 2 and take Griffin. Doing that likely costs players as well.

You bring in Griffin. Great. Now, without Bowe to throw to or Albert protecting him, what is he going to get done? Youre left in free agency limbo to try to address the needs to build around this kid. Result: Chiefs suck for probably 2 years and get nothing in the draft to show for it, while the Rams live like kings.

Or you bring in Manning.

Lets cut the bullshit. Obviously, Manning is going to have to pass a physical and demonstrate he has the tools to do what needs to be done before he gets signed.

We sign Manning, and we still have pretty good position in the draft to get him some help. We've got some cash to throw at some free agents that could help out further.


How would bringing in Manning for a few seasons while retaining our drafts set the team back?

The way I see it, if you go all in for RG3 you do more to potentially set the team back than you do to help it. Sacrificing 2 drafts, key players, likely getting into cap hell because of all the scrapping youre gonna have to do in free agency to get this kid some help.

Get #18 in red, ASAP.

Wait what??? i stopped here. Who ever said anything about trading Albert? We're surely not losing him to free agency... Nobody let's starting left tackles go...


And we're not sacrificing two ****ing drafts people. We would still have a 1st rounder this year. It's not disappearing. It's going towards RGIII... We lose a 1st next year, big whoop. 1st rounders bust all the time and it doesn't set a team back 2 years. Whatever other picks we give up, 2nd's, 3rds, doesn't matter, they won't have anywhere near the affect a ****ing franchise QB has.... And just for the record, 2 drafts = 14 picks. We're not giving up 14 picks to trade up.... Stop being dramatic.

Odds are we're not trading up. Does that piss me off? No. I can see why we probably won't. Would i be pissed if we did and it cost us some very high picks? Hell no. We have to try. Would Peyton be a great addition, Hell ya he would. Orton? He's better than Matt...

We've got options.


EDIT: Personally i realize we need a QB now. By the time all you "wait until next year" crowd finally get a QB, he'll be too young to actually do anything worth a shit while our best players just keep getting older and older.

[Crush]

Also, RGIII isn't Cassel. The kid is not going to need HOF talent to look competent.

[Crush]

Originally Posted by Sofa King

Wait what??? i stopped here. Who ever said anything about trading Albert? We're surely not losing him to free agency... Nobody let's starting left tackles go...


And we're not sacrificing two ****ing drafts people. We would still have a 1st rounder this year. It's not disappearing. It's going towards RGIII... We lose a 1st next year, big whoop. 1st rounders bust all the time and it doesn't set a team back 2 years. Whatever other picks we give up, 2nd's, 3rds, doesn't matter, they won't have anywhere near the affect a ****ing franchise QB has.... And just for the record, 2 drafts = 14 picks. We're not giving up 14 picks to trade up.... Stop being dramatic.

Trading up from 11 to 2 is going to take 5 years worth of draft picks. We're ****ed either way.

[Sofa King]

Originally Posted by Crush

Trading up from 11 to 2 is going to take 5 years worth of draft picks. We're ****ed either way.