Chiefs Alex Smith vs. Rich Gannon - Page 12

FringeNC · 08-31-2013, 08:49 PM

My view is that Andy Reid has no use for "game manager" QBs. What skills did Rich Gannon have that Alex Smith does not? Rich Gannon passed for about 4500 yards one year a Reid-like offense. Why can't Alex Smith do the same? Not saying he will, but help me understand why it's not going to happen.

Kaepernick · 09-01-2013, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

Rodgers started 16 games and had 475 attempts.

Kaep? 218 attempts.

Fail......again. youre good at this.

You are dead right. I got that completely wrong.

9er guy · 09-01-2013, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

Kaep? 218 attempts.

In 7 regular season starts.

**Mav** · 09-01-2013, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

Geez how bad is it that the Alex Smith supporters are confident that he will be able to rip off 200 yards per game.

Leave me out of this

Sorter · 09-01-2013, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaepernick

You are wrong. Pistol is just a formation, like the shotgun formation.

"The Pistol formation is a hybrid formation that utilizes strengths from both the Shotgun and single back (ace) formations.

"The "Pistol" formation was devised by Chris Ault at the University of Nevada and made its debut in the 2004 Wolf Pack football season. Ault was eager to find a way to run the football despite playing in the WAC conference (notorious for its passing offense). Ault wanted to utilize basic zone blocking techniques but wanted to get the ball to his running backs quicker with the running back accelerating towards the LOS.

"Ault realized that by placing the QB in the backfield the time needed for the quarterback to get to the RB was reduced. He did not, however, want to utilize a traditional shotgun look in which both the QB and RB were positioned 7 yards in the backfield because such a formation caused the play to develop slowly.

"The Coach also wanted his back running downhill when taking the snap and consequently positioned the QB directly in front of the back (QB 4 yards behind the LOS, RB 3 yards behind the quarterback). The result was the "Pistol" formation, shown below in a 4-wide spread formation that is very similar to a typical ace formation.

http://www.shakinthesouthland.com/20...rt-i-evolution

This is accurate.

Additionally, there's a thread started by Direckshun that should provide a bit more in-depth knowledge to to the alignment and why it is successful.

OrtonsPiercedTaint · 09-01-2013, 03:59 AM

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**BigMeatballDave** · 09-01-2013, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by 9er guy

Thigpen?

Yes

milkman · 09-01-2013, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

I would say slightly above.

Did you watch the Steelers game?

Smith has better arm strength than given credit for by most here, but I would call it onlu average rather than slightly above.

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Originally Posted by 9er guy

Steve Young won a Super Bowl, but I digress.

I think the historical argument is a tricky one in this situation because this the first group of QB's, that I can remember at least, that have been able to run and throw really well. I think before (With the exception of Young, and maaaaaybe McNabb) it was either or.

Steve Young couldn't lead his team to a SB until he learned the nuances of playing in the pocket.
He was mobile, but he won because he was a pocket passer, and he has himself acknoledged that.
People also forget that Lenny Dawson was a mobile QB in his prime, not to mention Roger Staubach.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 09-01-2013, 08:30 AM

Wait a minute; is someone here trying to sell Smith as a better QB than Kaep? Am I reading this right?

Again:

Pipe=Down.

"We admitted we were powerless over our QB dumbassery, and that our lives had become unmanageable".

Thx!

beach tribe · 09-01-2013, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

Wait a minute; is someone here trying to sell Smith as a better QB than Kaep? Am I reading this right?

Again:

Pipe=Down.

"We admitted we were powerless over our QB dumbassery, and that our lives had become unmanageable".

Thx!

Where the hell did you pull that from?
No one here said anything close to that.

beach tribe · 09-01-2013, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Sorter

This is accurate.

Additionally, there's a thread started by Direckshun that should provide a bit more in-depth knowledge to to the alignment and why it is successful.

So how come the 9ers and the Skins run a ton of the same pays catered to mobile QBs out of that formation?
Ill concede that its just a formation but everyone seems to run the Ault offense out of it.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 09-01-2013, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

Where the hell did you pull that from?
No one here said anything close to that.

It's early.

**SAUTO** · 09-01-2013, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by 9er guy

Steve Young won a Super Bowl, but I digress.

I think the historical argument is a tricky one in this situation because this the first group of QB's, that I can remember at least, that have been able to run and throw really well. I think before (With the exception of Young, and maaaaaybe McNabb) it was either or.

Cunningham?
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Coogs · 09-01-2013, 08:57 AM

I'm going to go back to the Steelers game again. It looked as if a few lessons were learned against the 49ers, and our blocking was better, receiving personal was better for our system... but didn't have McCluster, and Charles was on the sideline.

Yet we still threw it 24 times, completed 17 of them for 71%. 158 yards, 1 TD, and 0 INT's.

There was nothing there that indicated to me that we couldn't have come out the 2nd half and duplicated those numbers.

I'm not buying that Smith has a ceiling on how many attempts he can throw in a game, and his performance will begin to suffer. Not before the games start for real next week anyway.

I referenced this earlier this off-season. The Chiefs/Bronco's Monday Night game where Montana threw the TD to win it at the gun.

The game against the Steelers last week would have been very similar to the game plan that night in Denver with Montana had it continued for a full game instead of just the first half.

BlackHelicopters · 09-01-2013, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC

My view is that Andy Reid has no use for "game manager" QBs. What skills did Rich Gannon have that Alex Smith does not? Rich Gannon passed for about 4500 yards one year a Reid-like offense. Why can't Alex Smith do the same? Not saying he will, but help me understand why it's not going to happen.

Drugs. Who needs 'em?

AdumbGuy · 09-01-2013, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

well because Gannon had a set of balls, but Alex Smith, not so much.

THIS, TIMES A MILLION. Very simply, Gannon was out there trying to win, Alex is out there trying to minimize his turnovers. Gannon was surgical out there and he was ruthless about it. Alex is out there trying to avoid being in a bad situation.

Alex Smith inspires 0 confidence. Watching a 3rd and long and knowing we're going to get a 2 yard checkdown and that's exactly what happens is ****ing disheartening.

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Coogs In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Northern Kansas Casino cash: $-2255651	I'm going to go back to the Steelers game again. It looked as if a few lessons were learned against the 49ers, and our blocking was better, receiving personal was better for our system... but didn't have McCluster, and Charles was on the sideline. Yet we still threw it 24 times, completed 17 of them for 71%. 158 yards, 1 TD, and 0 INT's. There was nothing there that indicated to me that we couldn't have come out the 2nd half and duplicated those numbers. I'm not buying that Smith has a ceiling on how many attempts he can throw in a game, and his performance will begin to suffer. Not before the games start for real next week anyway. I referenced this earlier this off-season. The Chiefs/Bronco's Monday Night game where Montana threw the TD to win it at the gun. The game against the Steelers last week would have been very similar to the game plan that night in Denver with Montana had it continued for a full game instead of just the first half.
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