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Old 11-01-2015, 02:28 PM  
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Browns looking to trade Alex Mack and Joe Thomas
Browns looking to trade Alex Mack and Joe Thomas

The news is rather surprising given that Thomas is under contract through 2018 -- he has no guaranteed money for 2016 -- and Mack, who was almost lost in free agency to the Jacksonville Jaguars a season ago, has a no-trade clause. Mack -- who was listed by our Marc Sessler as a prime trade candidate earlier this week -- can opt out of his long-term deal after this season, though, which could be a motivating factor.

Still, this is an interesting and rather unorthodox approach to the trade deadline. The team likely feels they can replace Mack with 2015 first-round pick Cam Erving and slot one of their other highly-regarded offensive linemen in for Thomas.

Rapoport added that the team is also open to dealing former high-priced free agent acquisition Paul Kruger and Barkevious Mingo, the No. 6 overall pick from the 2013 draft. This, after already dealing Trent Richardson, their No. 3 overall pick from the 2012 draft. If you're just now sensing a pattern here, catch up. This is Browns football.

This would be the ultimate white flag raised on the 2015 season considering the Browns were going to hang their hat on the run game. Thomas has been one of the franchise's greatest players and, in a way, a trade to a contending opponent would be bittersweet. On one hand, he could finally put his skills to better use, but on the other, he would be departing a team that hinged on his professionalism for years.

Many of these talks often break down but scars from certain names leaking remain. So if general manager Ray Farmer is interested in getting it done, the clock is ticking. Nov. 3, 4 p.m. ET is coming quite soon.

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Old 11-03-2015, 10:28 AM   #166
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They're not going to pull off the trade, CLE will want more than Denver is willing to part with and that's fine.
Negotiation. If Cleveland is serious about making a trade, it will go down. If Cleveland is only interested in making a trade if their socks get blown off, then they'll probably keep him...
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Old 11-03-2015, 10:30 AM   #167
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I trust they'll make the right call... don't like giving up young guys, but JT is a great add and still has 3-4 years left at least. Don't know that I'm too keen on subtracting from that defense though.

I don't know if you guys are having issues on the line, but Thomas would be a great add for any team. His cap number is more than reasonable also, for a guy who is basically the best at his position.

Kind of hard to see why the Browns would trade him though, even for a 1st. Let's assume the Broncos at least make the AFCCG with Thomas. That's pick 28-32. For Joe Thomas. What are you going ot do, use that pick on another LT, who won't be as good but will last 10 years (if you're lucky) instead of 4 like Thomas will, and at cheaper dollars.

Doesn't really make a ton of sense to me for the Browns to do it without some added sweetener. Joe Thomas is **everything** you want on your team, at a position of high value. You build around guys like that, you don't sell them.

But, hey, it's the freaking Browns.
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Old 11-03-2015, 10:31 AM   #168
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Negotiation. If Cleveland is serious about making a trade, it will go down. If Cleveland is only interested in making a trade if their socks get blown off, then they'll probably keep him...
Maybe a sleeper team jumps in and sweetens the deal.
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I don't know if you guys are having issues on the line, but Thomas would be a great add for any team. His cap number is more than reasonable also, for a guy who is basically the best at his position.

Kind of hard to see why the Browns would trade him though, even for a 1st. Let's assume the Broncos at least make the AFCCG with Thomas. That's pick 28-32. For Joe Thomas. What are you going ot do, use that pick on another LT, who won't be as good but will last 10 years (if you're lucky) instead of 4 like Thomas will, and at cheaper dollars.

Doesn't really make a ton of sense to me for the Browns to do it without some added sweetener. Joe Thomas is **everything** you want on your team, at a position of high value. You build around guys like that, you don't sell them.

But, hey, it's the freaking Browns.
Yeah, the OL has been a hot mess all year... with a rookie (Ty) starting over there for a while and is now on IR. The OL could certainly use Joe Thomas without a freaking hesitation... which is probably why CLE is asking for more, it's a definite need for Denver with a 39 year old QB and struggling run game.
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Mack has a no trade clause....so he isn't going anywhere. Especially when he can opt out of his contract after this year and make huge money in FA.
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NFL history says this approach never works
It always works.

GM needs to know how to add talent. Not just in the draft but use free agency and trades as well.

Team also needs a good QB.

Packers traded for Favre. Manning was a FA. Ruthlessrapist, Eli, Rodgers, and Brady were drafted.
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Denver won back to back Super Bowls doing this. Denver has signed more free agents than any team since free agency began, and over the past 30+ years Denver has the highest winning percentage and more Super Bowl appearances than any team in the league. NFL history says this approach has worked VERY WELL for Denver.

Let me guess, you're like 16 years old?

First, unrestricted free agency began in 1992, so if your point is that signing free agents = SB appearances, you should ignore anything prior to 1992. Since 1992 the Broncos have 3 SB appearances. They don't have the highest winning percentage OR the most SB appearances since 1992. Patriots, at least, have them beat, and I bet the Packers do too. Possibly the Steelers also.

Second, trading for players isn't even free agency, so WTF are you talking about?

Third, the regime in Denver has changed several times since 1992, right? You've got Shanarat, a couple of other guys, and now Elway. Not all had the same view on free agency.

I can't readily determine who singed "the most" free agents, but tons of free agent signings are street free agents immediately after the draft. Are you counting those too, or just veterans?

So other than your basic premise being wrong, your facts being wrong, and your entire point being completely irrelevant anyway, this was a great post.
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Yeah, the OL has been a hot mess all year... with a rookie (Ty) starting over there for a while and is now on IR. The OL could certainly use Joe Thomas without a freaking hesitation... which is probably why CLE is asking for more, it's a definite need for Denver with a 39 year old QB and struggling run game.

I've only seen two Denver games this year. An early one where they had their usual squeaker and everything seemed a hot mess, and the Packers game the other night, where the OL seemed to do just fine against what is supposedly a pretty good Packer front 7.

But yeah, Joe Thomas is better than EVERY other LT in the league, and I'm sure he would help you out alot. So, of course, here's hoping you DON'T get him.
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But yeah, Joe Thomas is better than EVERY other LT in the league, and I'm sure he would help you out alot. So, of course, here's hoping you DON'T get him.
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Denver won back to back Super Bowls doing this. Denver has signed more free agents than any team since free agency began, and over the past 30+ years Denver has the highest winning percentage and more Super Bowl appearances than any team in the league. NFL history says this approach has worked VERY WELL for Denver.
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Denver won back to back Super Bowls doing this. Denver has signed more free agents than any team since free agency began, and over the past 30+ years Denver has the highest winning percentage and more Super Bowl appearances than any team in the league. NFL history says this approach has worked VERY WELL for Denver.
It's failed the last 3 years. Welker, Ware, Talib, Phillips, etc.

Spend, spend, spend.

In the end it's Brady/Hoodie vs Manning/Kubiak and we all know how that will play out.
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It's failed the last 3 years. Welker, Ware, Talib, Phillips, etc.

Spend, spend, spend.
And now their defense might be the best in the league...
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