Chiefs Patrick Mahomes isn't "broken" you ****ing dorks - Page 12

carcosa · 11-01-2021, 10:14 PM

"broken" "abomination" "Rick Ankiel"

These are all words that people used to describe Patrick ****ing Mahomes tonight. I mean, are you listening to yourselves? Rick ****ING Ankiel?????

Look, I'm not going to pretend like he's been himself all year. He's not seeing the field as well as usual, he's struggling to trust his OL and occasionally scrambling out of clean pockets, he's missing some throws, some of those turnovers have actually been his fault and not just the receivers being unable to hold onto the ****in ball.

But all the wannabe psychologists and family therapists on this site are driving me up a ****ing wall. You don't know what the **** is going on in his head and you don't know what affect his family life has on his play.

What you DO know, based on a 3 season sample size, is that he's the greatest QB through ~50 games in NFL history. You know that he's won multiple comeback playoff games, two AFC titles, and a Super Bowl. You even know (or at least you ****ing should, unless you've been too busy moaning to actually read anything), that by most metrics he's actually been pretty good overall this season. His "turnover worthy" plays are actually DOWN from past years. He's #4 in the league in touchdowns. His TD% is identical to last season and higher that 2019. Before Tennessee, which is easily the biggest outlier of his career including the other "bad" games this season, he was leading one of the most efficient offenses of all time in terms of points per drive — yes, better than 2018. I know it doesn't feel that way because so many guys on this team (including, yes, Patrick himself on a few occasions) can't hold onto the ****ing ball. But that's the ****ing truth.

If he were moping during press conferences or lashing out on social media, I might give a little bit more credence to the narrative that he's moments away from a nervous breakdown. Not very much, but a little bit. But he's not. He's being honest (almost to a fault) about his role in the team's struggles and projecting confidence that he can turn it around. What more can he possibly do to convince some of you losers to hold onto a bit of that confidence yourselves? Does he need to go back in time and miraculously heal Schwartz and Fisher and win that Super Bowl? Should he just commit seppuku at midfield? What do you want??

Patrick Mahomes is not broken. He's slumping. Every QB slumps occasionally. Not every QB calls having the 4th best QBR (64.1) and 6th best EPA (46.3, just above the dreaded Aaron Rodgers) a ****ing slump. Personally, even after 8 underwhelming-to-miserable games and a 4-4 record, I'm gonna give the kid a little more leeway before calling for him to be committed to the god damn psych ward. I think he's earned at least that much.

**RealSNR** · 11-02-2021, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Otter

Just curious, ever raise a child? "It takes a village" is term for a reason.

And I'm just guessing here on the reasons why but he's not the Patrick we're used to at the moment. There's a funk with the entire team right now.

I know you're not implying that it's the kid, but... yeah, it's just not.

How many HOF awesome QBs have had kids to raise at home while going through the prime of their careers? Just about every one.

Yes, kids are stressful, but given what we know about Mahomes, his work ethic, his character, and his reliability... it's not the kid

**Bearcat** · 11-02-2021, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Otter

I agree I'm just spitballing (hey, it's ChiefsPlanet, it's what we do) but it seems to be team wide and I'd consider Patrick the field general on offense and Honey Badger the field general on defense and both seem...frustrated.

Totally agree... all of the passes at the feet of receivers, not going through progressions, etc. "Giving up" on plays for lack of a better phrase more frequently.

Whether he's hurt and/or incredibly frustrated for other reasons (OL trust, seemingly being told to be a pocket passer, receivers not getting open, play calling frustration, etc etc....)

**Bearcat** · 11-02-2021, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

It's not a tough life. A tough life is going to jail for something you didn't do, being a soldier during a war, single Mom raising two kids etc..

Im not saying his life is perfect or stress free. I'm just saying compared to the average American his life is pretty sweet.

If he can't deal w his current level of stress then Chiefs are in serious trouble.

A tough life isn't required for stress and having a ton of obligations and pressure to live up to a huge contract and millions of fans, being the face of a franchise, etc.

He could still enjoy it 99% of the time, but feel that pressure on game day to play perfectly and always deliver regardless of injuries or whatever else.

PAChiefsGuy · 11-02-2021, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

Totally agree... all of the passes at the feet of receivers, not going through progressions, etc. "Giving up" on plays for lack of a better phrase more frequently.

Whether he's hurt and/or incredibly frustrated for other reasons (OL trust, seemingly being told to be a pocket passer, receivers not getting open, play calling frustration, etc etc....)

Kelce seems pretty frustrated and out of it too. There's got to be some locker room issues going on.

**dirk digler** · 11-02-2021, 11:40 AM

I think there is potentially multiple things going on with Pat.

1. He definitely doesn't trust Brown so he has happy feet and bails the pocket way early
2. The INT's have gotten in his head and he is not trusting his eyes\lacks confidence.
3. His toe still hurts. All season he has been bouncing passes off the dirt. Don't remember him doing that before.

Otter · 11-02-2021, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

Totally agree... all of the passes at the feet of receivers, not going through progressions, etc. "Giving up" on plays for lack of a better phrase more frequently.

Whether he's hurt and/or incredibly frustrated for other reasons (OL trust, seemingly being told to be a pocket passer, receivers not getting open, play calling frustration, etc etc....)

Yeah, I'm not liking the turning Patrick into a pocket passer move that SEAMS to be going on.

The guy won us a Super Bowl being a sandlot 'devil may care' and 'improv' QB with great leadership to boot.

Let's not try and reinvent the wheel.

**Bearcat** · 11-02-2021, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Kelce seems pretty frustrated and out of it too. There's got to be some locker room issues going on.

Yeah, that one pass in particular down the sidelines late in the game and a couple shots of him on the sidelines... some of the facial expressions look just like us, wondering WTF is going on. They seem just as dumbfounded by it than we do... and to a certain extent, I totally get it, when there's yet another ball that bounces 10 feet into the air and gets picked after their best drive in two weeks.

And that's why I liked that first drive so much... when you're at the end of your rope frustrated and it seems like absolutely everything that can go wrong is going wrong, get back to basics.

Then it went to shit.... and that's the adversity they've always been so good at overcoming, but last night (purely guessing) it seemed to get in their heads after just one drive.

Gary Cooper · 11-02-2021, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

Yeah, that one pass in particular down the sidelines late in the game and a couple shots of him on the sidelines... some of the facial expressions look just like us, wondering WTF is going on. They seem just as dumbfounded by it than we do... and to a certain extent, I totally get it, when there's yet another ball that bounces 10 feet into the air and gets picked after their best drive in two weeks.

And that's why I liked that first drive so much... when you're at the end of your rope frustrated and it seems like absolutely everything that can go wrong is going wrong, get back to basics.

Then it went to shit.... and that's the adversity they've always been so good at overcoming, but last night (purely guessing) it seemed to get in their heads after just one drive.

How much of that were Reid's first 10 scripted plays?

**chiefforlife** · 11-02-2021, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

Yeah, that one pass in particular down the sidelines late in the game and a couple shots of him on the sidelines... some of the facial expressions look just like us, wondering WTF is going on. They seem just as dumbfounded by it than we do... and to a certain extent, I totally get it, when there's yet another ball that bounces 10 feet into the air and gets picked after their best drive in two weeks.

And that's why I liked that first drive so much... when you're at the end of your rope frustrated and it seems like absolutely everything that can go wrong is going wrong, get back to basics.

Then it went to shit.... and that's the adversity they've always been so good at overcoming, but last night (purely guessing) it seemed to get in their heads after just one drive.

I agree, my first thought after the opening drive was exactly that. Here we go again. They seemed to have that thought as well.

Remember how the sideline shots during the game were so fun, they were rallying each other and Reid and Mahomes were over there scheming up new ways to score while the Defense was on the field. Offense and Defense were cheering each other on. High fives and smiling faces even after something went wrong.

That isnt happening this year. The sideline looks way different. I especially noticed Kelce last night, this guy usually has FUN. He looked shell shocked every time they showed him. No one went over to him and said, its OK, you will probably win this game for us. Of course I dont know that for sure its just what it looked like and was an example of what I see happening this year. How the team doesnt seem to be as tight as in the past.

I know the losing is tough and is contributing to this but its one more thing that seems off this year.

NEOM · 11-02-2021, 12:25 PM

Some great words by Aaron about Pat. Looks like both are more than just commercial friends.

**Easy 6** · 11-02-2021, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Kelce seems pretty frustrated and out of it too. There's got to be some locker room issues going on.

At least part of it has to be that he's just beaten down physically

He gets flat out mugged constantly, and takes a buttload of vicious hits

Dunerdr · 11-02-2021, 12:44 PM

Lets be ****ing real. No he hasnt been great. Things changed for an all pro super bowl winner. Do you ask him to change his game? Or do what needs done to make him as comfortable as hes been the last 3 seasons?

MahomesMagic · 11-02-2021, 12:51 PM

This is more on Reid than Mahomes.

Chiefs offense looks like last days of Mike McCarthy in Green Bay.

McCarthy wanted his players to win "matchups". Teams would play Cover 2 over and over and McCarthy refused to adjust offense...at all.

Aaron Rodgers would say in his post-game press conferences, "Yeah, we knew it would be a tough day because the Bears were in Cover 2."

Dunerdr · 11-02-2021, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

This is more on Reid than Mahomes.

Chiefs offense looks like last days of Mike McCarthy in Green Bay.

McCarthy wanted his players to win "matchups". Teams would play Cover 2 over and over and McCarthy refused to adjust offense...at all.

Aaron Rodgers would say in his post-game press conferences, "Yeah, we knew it would be a tough day because the Bears were in Cover 2."

Jesus

MightyMouse · 11-02-2021, 12:57 PM

He is definitely broken. He can be fixed but foolish to think he is no right now. It’s not a slump when you are making terrible throws, forcing throws, misreading coverages. The play calling, 2 deep looks while always being down because the defense sucks has lead to this so it’s not his fault.

11-01-2021, 10:14 PM
carcosa Thank you Join Date: May 2014 Casino cash: $2503695	Patrick Mahomes isn't "broken" you ing dorks "broken" "abomination" "Rick Ankiel" These are all words that people used to describe Patrick **ing Mahomes tonight. I mean, are you listening to yourselves? Rick ING Ankiel????? Look, I'm not going to pretend like he's been himself all year. He's not seeing the field as well as usual, he's struggling to trust his OL and occasionally scrambling out of clean pockets, he's missing some throws, some of those turnovers have actually been his fault and not just the receivers being unable to hold onto the in ball. But all the wannabe psychologists and family therapists on this site are driving me up a ing wall. You don't know what the is going on in his head and you don't know what affect his family life has on his play. What you DO know, based on a 3 season sample size, is that he's the greatest QB through ~50 games in NFL history. You know that he's won multiple comeback playoff games, two AFC titles, and a Super Bowl. You even know (or at least you ing should, unless you've been too busy moaning to actually read anything), that by most metrics he's actually been pretty good overall this season. His "turnover worthy" plays are actually DOWN from past years. He's #4 in the league in touchdowns. His TD% is identical to last season and higher that 2019. Before Tennessee, which is easily the biggest outlier of his career including the other "bad" games this season, he was leading one of the most efficient offenses of all time in terms of points per drive — yes, better than 2018. I know it doesn't feel that way because so many guys on this team (including, yes, Patrick himself on a few occasions) can't hold onto the ing ball. But that's the ing truth. If he were moping during press conferences or lashing out on social media, I might give a little bit more credence to the narrative that he's moments away from a nervous breakdown. Not very much, but a little bit. But he's not. He's being honest (almost to a fault) about his role in the team's struggles and projecting confidence that he can turn it around. What more can he possibly do to convince some of you losers to hold onto a bit of that confidence yourselves? Does he need to go back in time and miraculously heal Schwartz and Fisher and win that Super Bowl? Should he just commit seppuku at midfield? What do you want?? Patrick Mahomes is not broken. He's slumping. Every QB slumps occasionally. Not every QB calls having the 4th best QBR (64.1) and 6th best EPA (46.3, just above the dreaded Aaron Rodgers) a **ing slump. Personally, even after 8 underwhelming-to-miserable games and a 4-4 record, I'm gonna give the kid a little more leeway before calling for him to be committed to the god damn psych ward. I think he's earned at least that much.
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dirk digler Please squeeze Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Clinton, MO Casino cash: $2964644	I think there is potentially multiple things going on with Pat. 1. He definitely doesn't trust Brown so he has happy feet and bails the pocket way early 2. The INT's have gotten in his head and he is not trusting his eyes\lacks confidence. 3. His toe still hurts. All season he has been bouncing passes off the dirt. Don't remember him doing that before.
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NEOM Banned Join Date: Dec 2020 Casino cash: $9710400	Some great words by Aaron about Pat. Looks like both are more than just commercial friends.
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Dunerdr MVP Join Date: Oct 2012 Casino cash: $2119677	Lets be ****ing real. No he hasnt been great. Things changed for an all pro super bowl winner. Do you ask him to change his game? Or do what needs done to make him as comfortable as hes been the last 3 seasons? __________________ Adopt-A-Chief- Rachel Santschi
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MahomesMagic Generational Player Join Date: May 2017 Location: Honolulu Casino cash: $3840400	This is more on Reid than Mahomes. Chiefs offense looks like last days of Mike McCarthy in Green Bay. McCarthy wanted his players to win "matchups". Teams would play Cover 2 over and over and McCarthy refused to adjust offense...at all. Aaron Rodgers would say in his post-game press conferences, "Yeah, we knew it would be a tough day because the Bears were in Cover 2."
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11-02-2021, 12:57 PM	#180
MightyMouse Starter Join Date: Mar 2019 Casino cash: $9440400	He is definitely broken. He can be fixed but foolish to think he is no right now. It’s not a slump when you are making terrible throws, forcing throws, misreading coverages. The play calling, 2 deep looks while always being down because the defense sucks has lead to this so it’s not his fault.
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