QB School: Mahomes missed two chances to go to the SB

[Hammock Parties]

Hardman, Kelce or Pringle.

He just missed them. Period.

[dannybcaitlyn]

Ya know 90% of the time we worry about the defense shitting the bed which is warranted. Gives up historical numbers to Wr’s, Defense so bad at the beginning of the year it nearly destroys Mahomes in the process, Plays players like some high school teams where the seniors get the nod over better players sitting the bench, Slow starts because we add new players every year to learn the complicated system and defense gives up 30 plus points to high flying offenses and Now to put the cherry on top we NOW have to worry about the Qb shitting the bed when the defense makes an adjustment and Reid and Bieniemy don’t adj against the defense. No lead is safe with this team. That some Jekyl and Hyde shit from Mahomes there. Never seen it that bad. He’ll probably learn from it but it will always be in the back of our minds. Reid is a hall of fame coach but I guarantee belichick and Payton aren’t giving up them leads!

[Shields68]

Originally Posted by dannybcaitlyn

Ya know 90% of the time we worry about the defense shitting the bed which is warranted. Gives up historical numbers to Wr’s, Defense so bad at the beginning of the year it nearly destroys Mahomes in the process, Plays players like some high school teams where the seniors get the nod over better players sitting the bench, Slow starts because we add new players every year to learn the complicated system and defense gives up 30 plus points to high flying offenses and Now to put the cherry on top we NOW have to worry about the Qb shitting the bed when the defense makes an adjustment and Reid and Bieniemy don’t adj against the defense. No lead is safe with this team. That some Jekyl and Hyde shit from Mahomes there. Never seen it that bad. He’ll probably learn from it but it will always be in the back of our minds. Reid is a hall of fame coach but I guarantee belichick and Payton aren’t giving up them leads!

Hard to say Reid and Bienemy did not adjust when you see plays like the op above where they get the play call right, the guy is open and the ball does not come out on time. If the first play is a rpo, running or throwing to the flat are the two decisions either would have been fine. Patrick botched it plan and simple.

Patrick made poor decisions and was very inaccurate the second half. That might be what Reid and Bienemy could not adjust for.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by LongSufferingToady

If Mahomes didn't "throw" the game, then he choked so bad his mind took a holiday...

And that may be an ongoing problem with Mahomes for his entire career... ala Brett Favre.

Which means when he's stressed AND unanchored (lack of ability to calm himself) then we're going to see this each and every time.

Seemed like he calmed himself the week before pretty well?

Originally Posted by DRM08

That was such a massive chokejob, it’s fair to wonder if he’s now damaged goods from a mental standpoint. We will see if he can dig himself out of it. I hope so!

WTF? He has a bad half and now he's a mental midget?

Originally Posted by Shields68

Hard to say Reid and Bienemy did not adjust when you see plays like the op above where they get the play call right, the guy is open and the ball does not come out on time. If the first play is a rpo, running or throwing to the flat are the two decisions either would have been fine. Patrick botched it plan and simple.

Patrick made poor decisions and was very inaccurate the second half. That might be what Reid and Bienemy could not adjust for.

Just the last play, if it was a called RPO. You cant run the ball with 5 seconds left. What happened to that quick out to the side that's worked every time we ran it with Hill and Hardman when we needed a yard or two for a first down?

[dannybcaitlyn]

Originally Posted by Shields68

Hard to say Reid and Bienemy did not adjust when you see plays like the op above where they get the play call right, the guy is open and the ball does not come out on time. If the first play is a rpo, running or throwing to the flat are the two decisions either would have been fine. Patrick botched it plan and simple.

Patrick made poor decisions and was very inaccurate the second half. That might be what Reid and Bienemy could not adjust for.

I’m picturing Bieniemy in Pats earpiece on that play telling him We Can’t Have a Turnover Here! Pat tightens and refuses to pull the trigger.
When Patrick was off they should have went back McKinnon more against the three man fronts. We saw CEH the first series in the second half which limits them. Maybe some more high percentage routes underneath to get Pat rolling again.

[ThaVirus]

I wasn't able to watch the vid in the OP until now, but it looks like Hill was his first read on that 3rd and goal play before the end of regulation. Hill was the only receiver on that side of the field and you've got to assume the safety will help on him as well. Hill being the first read there is fine, it actually should have helped hold the coverage until he came back to Kelce.

I really am still not sure why he didn't throw that ball to Kelce for the win.

I know how this season has gone it probably would have been popped up for an INT which is why he was scared to pull the trigger, but damn. We had just given up an 18-point lead. Playing for OT was not the move there.

[Shields68]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Seemed like he calmed himself the week before pretty well?

WTF? He has a bad half and now he's a mental midget?

Just the last play, if it was a called RPO. You cant run the ball with 5 seconds left. What happened to that quick out to the side that's worked every time we ran it with Hill and Hardman when we needed a yard or two for a first down?

The op shows the 2nd and goal from the 4 late in the game, Pat fakes a hand off, immediately looks at the wr running an out to the flat who has a step. Decides to run around and is sacked.

Now the play with 5 seconds left, it was widely reported Pat was told throw it to the end zone if no one breaks open quick throw it away.

Now the above is not saying Pat is a bad qb. He had a bad half. It happens.

[Shields68]

Originally Posted by dannybcaitlyn

I’m picturing Bieniemy in Pats earpiece on that play telling him We Can’t Have a Turnover Here! Pat tightens and refuses to pull the trigger.
When Patrick was off they should have went back McKinnon more against the three man fronts. We saw CEH the first series in the second half which limits them. Maybe some more high percentage routes underneath to get Pat rolling again.

Bengals may have only been rushing 3 but the fronts they showed were generally 4. No different then a normal dee. The dropping end would help on shallow crossing ( the shallow stuff make sure they were not open) and spy Patrick if he scrambled.

[scho63]

Did the Mob put Quaaludes in his Gatorade?

[Priest31kc]

Originally Posted by Chiefs=Champions

The one thing Pat needs to improve on is pulling the trigger on contested tight throws. It happened earlier in the year. Players started dropping passes and he gets a little gun shy. He's so smart and unbelievable at creating space for himself that at times he leans on that instead of just hitting the easy read that might be slightly contested or in traffic.

Yep when he loses his confidence he gets very tentative and hesitant and loses his anticipation and trust in his receivers.

I think the fluky INTs scarred him some but I think to some degree it's like you said, he's so good at getting outside the pocket and throwing on the run outside of structure that he gets gunshy on pulling the trigger in the pocket and in structure sometimes because he thinks he can create a less risky throw by buying time for a receiver to get more open and to find a better throwing lane.

BUT, I also think it's because he just has no receivers that are good in contested catch situations and he's never had one in KC. Kelce is pretty much it, but that's not even his strength.

You saw Tyreek all year not be able to hold on to contested balls, including twice Sunday and the last throw of the season that resulted in an INT. A legit 6'2 WR with great hands and body control comes down with that pass. We have and have had NO ONE that can do that in the 4 years Mahomes has started. To me, that's a big part of an offense that we don't have that so many other QBs do have.

Kelce and Hill are great, but contested catches aren't their game and we literally have no other receivers that are capable of it either. So I can understand why he doesn't throw a ton of balls into tight coverage.

Especially in this offense where he doesn't really have to do that much because we either go up against a ton of zone or if we go vs man, Kelce and Hill usually get separation or Reid will scheme someone else open.

I think he's been taught to avoid the low percentage shots in this offense and because of the receivers we have. And when he loses some confidence and no one gets any separation, instead of drilling a throw into tight coverage, he instead wants to get outside the pocket to make a higher percentage and less risky throw and it usually works.

[Hoover]

Originally Posted by Shields68

Hard to say Reid and Bienemy did not adjust when you see plays like the op above where they get the play call right, the guy is open and the ball does not come out on time. If the first play is a rpo, running or throwing to the flat are the two decisions either would have been fine. Patrick botched it plan and simple.

Patrick made poor decisions and was very inaccurate the second half. That might be what Reid and Bienemy could not adjust for.

True. However, Reid ands EB needed to recognize that Patrick was off and maybe run the bal.

[stevieray]

This board roasted Alex Smith for missing a wide open Hill against Pittsburg.

Pat doesn't have an excuse. Neither did Alex.

Kelce and Pringle's body language during that play says it all. They both knew they were open and both did a jump once that window closed. You can tell Kelce is totally expecting that ball. Pat was looking right at him.

I think what bothers me most is he didn't even try. I'd stomach a bad or errant pass, but just to freeze up? That's the gut punch. He makes that throw to Hardman in the flat and that throw to Kelce while sleepwalking. Those aren't difficult throws.

It's just so uncanny, and out of character.

[Chiefnj2]

The first play in the video should have been a handoff. Best case scenario they get stopped at the 1” line and clock keeps rolling, worst case they score. No excuse for not firing the ball into the end zone on third down.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by stevieray

This board roasted Alex Smith for missing a wide open Hill against Pittsburg.

Pat doesn't have an excuse. Neither did Alex.

Kelce and Pringle's body language during that play says it all. They both knew they were open and both did a jump once that window closed. You can tell Kelce is totally expecting that ball. Pat was looking right at him.

I think what bothers me most is he didn't even try. I'd stomach a bad or errant pass, but just to freeze up? That's the gut punch. He makes that throw to Hardman in the flat and that throw to Kelce while sleepwalking. Those aren't difficult throws.

It's just so uncanny, and out of character.

Yep. And disturbing. Gonna be a looooong offseason.

[Red Dawg]

There was video about the 2 point conversion at LAC and the same thing happened. He had an open Hill that would have been an easy throw but he just didn't pull the trigger. He got the 2 points after running right and making a great play to Clyde but it makes no sense because he did have to. That's just one example, there have been more where he has an open guy and doesn't throw the ball. No idea why.

We have seen him play fearless and make great plays and pull the trigger in clutch moments many times but this time he just didn't and we will never no why. Why was the team so lifeless in the second half? We will never know what happened in the locker room but we have had a long playoff win run. Nothing lasts forever.

[siberian khatru]

I finally had the stomach to watch this video, and on the second down play with Hardman, I wonder if Pat was scared of a slight underthrow/behind Mecole that the DB would undercut for a pick 6.

The third down play is just ... it's astounding and sickening. He must've been terrified of a tipped ball in the end zone for an INT. The fact that they only needed a FG to tie must've been in his head, especially after he screwed up the drive at the end of the first half.

If that were fourth down, or they needed a TD to tie, or they were down 4 points, I have to believe he makes that throw -- and we win. But he played it safe.

Despite all the hiccups on that drive, I was very confident he was going to throw a TD pass on third down. And son of a bitch, it was there, twice, and he couldn't pull the trigger.