Chiefs Some Quick Things - Page 12

Chris Meck · 11-07-2022, 06:40 AM

Tough, hard fought football game against a physical Titans team that always gives Andy and Mahomes fits.

1. I don't think Titans win with a hobbled Tannehill, either. Willis' outside mobility was their second best weapon. Tannehill would've completed some passes, but also would've been a sitting duck and the Chiefs' pass rush was improved.

2. Chiefs defense was outstanding. Derrick Henry is a MAN out there, and other than the one big run, they bottled him up pretty well. Those of you calling for Spags head are NUTS. Spags has been a magician this year, playing all these rookies, and still dials up the perfect play in the crucial moment.

3. Saunders needs MOAR SNAPS. He's clearly better than Nnadi. In fact, he certainly appears to be our best DT not named Jones.

4.Wylie blows goats. He's absolutely terrible, and overmatched on an NFL field.

5. Trey Smith...I don't know what's going on, but he's not been playing all that well either.

6. OBJ is not good enough. At his best, he's average. Demanding top of the market pay when you're not very good is a bad look.

7. 68 passes? Yeesh. Our inability to run the ball has got to be fixed. You can't do that every game. You just can't. I know Wylie can't run block either, but I don't understand why the other four just cannot open holes when that's supposed to be each of their strong suit.

8. The Titans are what they always are; they're a problem. They're tough, they're physical, they're well coached. You can hate Vrabel if you want, but he always has his guys ready to play hard for him. That was a VERY disciplined defense. I didn't see anything all that fancy happening coverage-wise. They just executed. They're going to be back in the play-offs again.

9. Butker. What's up with that? Dooooooood.

10. We should recognize the Titans; they're the 90's Chiefs. They played hard, they played physical, they were disciplined in coverage, they throttled the superior quarterback for 75% of the game...and then the HOF'er dialed it up and beat them. Elway used to do that shit to us all the time. Now we have the boogeyman. Damn, it feels good to be a gangster.

tredadda · 11-08-2022, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

McDuffie has played exactly one full game. The other guys are rookies. The defensive line is woefully understaffed.

To say he has the personnel is being disingenuous a bit.

Yup. What he has done with what he has been given is nothing short of amazing. They aren’t the 85 Bears, but they are playing quite well given the age of this defense and the regression of others on the line.

IowaHawkeyeChief · 11-08-2022, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

There were plenty of times he had a pocket and dropped his head.

He wasn't on his game last night. But he's a great player so he kept shooting. That's fine and it's something the best will do.

But he was surprisingly shakey for most of the night considering he was responsible for 500 yards of offense. He missed a LOT of guys out there. That FG in OT came after he missed a walk-in TD to JJSS on a skinny post right before the 4th down conversion. He missed Hardman several times and he seemed to get into that 'wait wait wait' mode when it came to taking his underneath guys, especially his check downs.

He had a bulldog night; one of those nights where an elite pitcher doesn't have his stuff but battles through for 6 innings and 2 earned to give you a chance to win the game. But unlike a pitcher, the person he gave the chance to win was him.

But for all the credit Mahomes will get, it was the defense that saved our ass. That D was exceptional. The 2nd half+ shutout will get all the credit, but man, they were actually pretty damn good from from the 55 yard run by Henry onward.

Mahomes didn't have an A game at all. But it's worth giving him (and the team writ large) credit in that a C- game for him ended up being good enough to beat a quality opponent.

Throw the ball 60+ times and there are going to be pressures, but apart from a couple of pressures up the gut that Smith surrendered (man he's off), PM had decent time on several occasions and just wasn't seeing the field as well as he usually does.

^this^ Being at the game you could see some of the misses and some of the check downs that made more sense. I actually thought the line did well, when Mahomes was flushed, it usually wasn't early. He dropped back 74 times to pass and was sacked 4 times by the best pressure team in the conference, and most of those sacks were coverage sacks.

IowaHawkeyeChief · 11-08-2022, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by FAX

11ish.

What the hell happened to our screen game? IMHO, screens would have helped us a great deal against the Flaming Tacks. In fact, the Tacks have the kind of defense that would have a mental breakdown once you effectively attack them horizontally.

Since I blame him for all kinds of stuff, I blame EB.

FAX THE COMPLAINANT

They weren't blitzing much, so Screens are much tougher to execute.

IowaHawkeyeChief · 11-08-2022, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

That play was designed for Smiths strengths and he lost the rep anyway. He has probably 80 lbs on Cunningham and got stood up. Gotta win that rep, man.

Easy reason, leverage. Smith has to get lower pulling around and was easy to stand up and move when the backer is able to get into his chest.

IowaHawkeyeChief · 11-08-2022, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by el borracho

Without reading the replies yet...

Kelce was off last night. That is uncharacteristic and I don't expect we'll that again this year.
When should we expect to see some sacks from Karlaftis?
When should we expect to see some yards and touchdowns from Skyy?

Kelce wasn't the same after the catch where he hurdled the defender and go flipped onto his head/scorpianed... he seemed a little beat up after that...

Karlaftis had some great pressures, but can't quite get over the hump. I think he is going to have a 3 sack game when he does bust out.

Skyy has the tools but is thinking too much, IMO, I think he will continue to get better as he becomes more comfortable with the offense and it becomes muscle memory.

IowaHawkeyeChief · 11-08-2022, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96

Meh, the 30th pick is not going to get you an elite pass-rusher 99% of the time. Basically it was like a second round pick.

Obviously he needs to keep working on his skills, and let's remember that he didn't come into the league in NFL shape.

Next season, after a full NFL training program and diet program, I'm sure he'll be a lot better. I wouldn't bd surprised if we found out that he takes some kind of training for his flexibility as well during the offseason.

Now, if he comes into next season and he's no better than he is right now, I'll be concerned.

Karlaftis also made some good plays on rushes on Sunday. He seems to be getting better every week. I'm optimistic as well.

**Lzen** · 11-08-2022, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by scho63

Cris Collinsworth was praising Wylie last night multiple times.

That's some Bizarro World shit right there.

Wylie is an enigma. There are some plays where he actually looks like a competent NFL RT. But then there are plays where he looks like he doesn't belong. Too much inconsistency. I don't know if Niang will provide that but it's gotta be worth trying.

**Lzen** · 11-08-2022, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

We need to overhaul our RB room in the offseason including getting a RB coach who was an actual RB not a WR. Hopefully Niang can play in the next week or so.

As much as I agree that could have something to do with it, you have to remember that our OC was a RB. It just doesn't make sense.

IowaHawkeyeChief · 11-08-2022, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Lzen

As much as I agree that could have something to do with it, you have to remember that our OC was a RB. It just doesn't make sense.

I think we need to add some under center gap blocking runs, and if we are successful, PA against it with quick crossing rights with a good chance of substantial YAC as the LB's step up.

**Lzen** · 11-08-2022, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

There were plenty of times he had a pocket and dropped his head.

He wasn't on his game last night. But he's a great player so he kept shooting. That's fine and it's something the best will do.

But he was surprisingly shakey for most of the night considering he was responsible for 500 yards of offense. He missed a LOT of guys out there. That FG in OT came after he missed a walk-in TD to JJSS on a skinny post right before the 4th down conversion. He missed Hardman several times and he seemed to get into that 'wait wait wait' mode when it came to taking his underneath guys, especially his check downs.

He had a bulldog night; one of those nights where an elite pitcher doesn't have his stuff but battles through for 6 innings and 2 earned to give you a chance to win the game. But unlike a pitcher, the person he gave the chance to win was him.

But for all the credit Mahomes will get, it was the defense that saved our ass. That D was exceptional. The 2nd half+ shutout will get all the credit, but man, they were actually pretty damn good from from the 55 yard run by Henry onward.

Mahomes didn't have an A game at all. But it's worth giving him (and the team writ large) credit in that a C- game for him ended up being good enough to beat a quality opponent.

Throw the ball 60+ times and there are going to be pressures, but apart from a couple of pressures up the gut that Smith surrendered (man he's off), PM had decent time on several occasions and just wasn't seeing the field as well as he usually does.

This is all true. I kept saying Mahomes seemed a little off during the game. And I don't think you could see on TV but I noticed at least 4-5 times where Mahomes could have thrown to Hardman and most of them would have probably resulted in TDs. You see that stuff at the stadium that you don't get to see on the TV broadcast. I went back and watched the TV broadcast yesterday and I see that they did actually point out the one post that he should have thrown to Hardman for a TD. I don't recall seeing Mahomes that hesitant since the AFC Championship game.

DJ's left nut · 11-08-2022, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Lzen

This is all true. I kept saying Mahomes seemed a little off during the game. And I don't think you could see on TV but I noticed at least 4-5 times where Mahomes could have thrown to Hardman and most of them would have probably resulted in TDs. You see that stuff at the stadium that you don't get to see on the TV broadcast. I went back and watched the TV broadcast yesterday and I see that they did actually point out the one post that he should have thrown to Hardman for a TD. I don't recall seeing Mahomes that hesitant since the AFC Championship game.

Hardman was open all night - he really had a good game and largely went unrewarded for it.

Oh well. Off game, still a W.

This is a good thing.

O.city · 11-08-2022, 09:46 AM

It was a carbon copy of some games last year.

What point did he really become hesitant? Seemed to me it was the Kelce tip INT.

Nightfyre · 11-08-2022, 09:50 AM

RE: Karlaftis. Why does CP have WDE expectations for a SDE? I consistently see George doing great things on the field, even if he isn't sacking the passer. He still gets pressure, gets good contain, and plays the run well.

DJ's left nut · 11-08-2022, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

RE: Karlaftis. Why does CP have WDE expectations for a SDE? I consistently see George doing great things on the field, even if he isn't sacking the passer. He still gets pressure, gets good contain, and plays the run well.

Desperation.

We don't have a legit WDE to finish those plays off so we just kinda hope Karlaftis can be that guy.

We're a man short. Have been all season.

**Ming the Merciless** · 11-08-2022, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96

Just be prepared to eat a lot of crow when they prove you wrong. Again.

"proved me wrong" by agreeing that we need to improve?

We just got gay and mcduffie back .. of course we will improve. What was I wrong about?

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i know the defense is improving and will be a top-10 unit by week 12 or so.

I had this expectation as well. I posted this in the beginning of the season. I think we agree here. But if they don't theres 1 guy to blame.

11-07-2022, 06:40 AM
Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $-1325090	Some Quick Things Tough, hard fought football game against a physical Titans team that always gives Andy and Mahomes fits. 1. I don't think Titans win with a hobbled Tannehill, either. Willis' outside mobility was their second best weapon. Tannehill would've completed some passes, but also would've been a sitting duck and the Chiefs' pass rush was improved. 2. Chiefs defense was outstanding. Derrick Henry is a MAN out there, and other than the one big run, they bottled him up pretty well. Those of you calling for Spags head are NUTS. Spags has been a magician this year, playing all these rookies, and still dials up the perfect play in the crucial moment. 3. Saunders needs MOAR SNAPS. He's clearly better than Nnadi. In fact, he certainly appears to be our best DT not named Jones. 4.Wylie blows goats. He's absolutely terrible, and overmatched on an NFL field. 5. Trey Smith...I don't know what's going on, but he's not been playing all that well either. 6. OBJ is not good enough. At his best, he's average. Demanding top of the market pay when you're not very good is a bad look. 7. 68 passes? Yeesh. Our inability to run the ball has got to be fixed. You can't do that every game. You just can't. I know Wylie can't run block either, but I don't understand why the other four just cannot open holes when that's supposed to be each of their strong suit. 8. The Titans are what they always are; they're a problem. They're tough, they're physical, they're well coached. You can hate Vrabel if you want, but he always has his guys ready to play hard for him. That was a VERY disciplined defense. I didn't see anything all that fancy happening coverage-wise. They just executed. They're going to be back in the play-offs again. 9. Butker. What's up with that? Dooooooood. 10. We should recognize the Titans; they're the 90's Chiefs. They played hard, they played physical, they were disciplined in coverage, they throttled the superior quarterback for 75% of the game...and then the HOF'er dialed it up and beat them. Elway used to do that shit to us all the time. Now we have the boogeyman. Damn, it feels good to be a gangster.
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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-685936	It was a carbon copy of some games last year. What point did he really become hesitant? Seemed to me it was the Kelce tip INT.
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Nightfyre MVP Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Helena, MT Casino cash: $1298849	RE: Karlaftis. Why does CP have WDE expectations for a SDE? I consistently see George doing great things on the field, even if he isn't sacking the passer. He still gets pressure, gets good contain, and plays the run well.
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