***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Fauci, now so sour on hydroxychloroquine (+/- azithro) for covid19, despite its clinical promise, gushed in 4/2013 when a coronavirus [MERS] antiviral combo [ribavirin /interferon-alpha)] tested “only in cells in lab dishes” prevented viral replication! https://t.co/c9aN1b0nvZ pic.twitter.com/KBTLDUeIUW

— Andrew Bostom (@andrewbostom) April 4, 2020

Yea, he's really gushing it up there. WOW, he said it was encouraging. BFD

[Donger]

COVID-19 isn't a virus. SARS-CoV-2 is a virus. SARS-CoV-2 causes COVID-19.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

In Los Angeles county, which has more than 21 million people, 99.9% of the people here are following the Stay At Home order.

Traffic accidents have been reduced by well more than 50%, crime is down 23% and the air quality is among the best in the world.

If you don't think that Social Distancing and the Stay At Home order are effective, you're not paying attention.

If only that's what I had said.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by stumppy

Yea, he's really gushing it up there. WOW, he said it was encouraging. BFD

Has he even come close to saying it is encouraging right now with Covid? Considering that countries are banning the export of the drug, and Drs all around the world are saying it works.

What else do you want? That's my argument, there is NO REASON to not be treating the masses with it right now.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

If only that's what I had said.

Originally Posted by Marcellus

I know they now claim more people are following social distancing than expected but I can't see how that's accounts for a 20X difference compared to the model.

If you "can't see" how 21 million people Social Distancing and following Stay At Home orders have accounted for a 20x difference, then you truly do not understand math, as so many others have suggested.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Cool the LINK to the twitter post was Fauci talking about it working and being worth trying after it worked in a LAB on cells in 2003 for MERS.

Yet he is holding back same recommendations now for what ever reason.

So again,

They drug is working, it's clear as day it works. Hence why governments around the world are hording the damn drug

Because it hasn't been show to be effective in a decent-sized, controlled trial yet. That's why.

I presume most here know why some people here are pushing this, and why. That's why it should stay in DC where it belongs for now.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

I'll defer to Fauci and not the cult that has constantly been wrong on this thing since the beginning.

Fauci hasn't said it doesn't work.

He's a scientist and he's said, repeatedly, that he's not comfortable advocating for its use without significant testing to confirm that it does. Not anecdotally, but scientifically. Which is exactly what he should say. Though it's funny how eager we are to say "hey, lets get the data in" when discussing a potential pharmaceutical treatment but not when discussing potential returns on mitigation efforts.

Granted, people continue to chop up what he says to push positions they prefer, but he's never said "this doesn't work" - he's said that he's unwilling to say that it does. There's a MASSIVE difference there.

So I ask again - knowing what you know about the anecdotal results, the limited testing done (admittedly without random double-blind tests) and its history of use, in the event you contracted COVID and had an opportunity to use this early on, you'd say "no, it doesn't work, and there are slight risks associate with it. I do not want it..."

You're that confident based on Fauci's suggestions of temperance?

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Donger

Because it hasn't been show to be effective in a decent-sized, controlled trial yet. That's why.

I presume most here know why some people here are pushing this, and why. That's why it should stay in DC where it belongs for now.

Ahuh well your presumptions could be equally wrong. And it could be to provide people a option they should seek out should they get coronavirus.

So there is that....

[Dartgod]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Fauci, now so sour on hydroxychloroquine (+/- azithro) for covid19, despite its clinical promise, gushed in 4/2013 when a coronavirus [MERS] antiviral combo [ribavirin /interferon-alpha)] tested “only in cells in lab dishes” prevented viral replication! https://t.co/c9aN1b0nvZ pic.twitter.com/KBTLDUeIUW

— Andrew Bostom (@andrewbostom) April 4, 2020

"Particularly encouraging" equals "gushed"? GTFO

gush
/ɡəSH/
verb
past tense: gushed; past participle: gushed
1.(of a liquid) flow out in a rapid and plentiful stream, often suddenly.
"William watched the murky liquid gushing out"

2. Speak or write with effusiveness or exaggerated enthusiasm.
"a nice old lady reporter who covers the art openings and gushes about everything"

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Has he even come close to saying it is encouraging right now with Covid? Considering that countries are banning the export of the drug, and Drs all around the world are saying it works.

What else do you want? That's my argument, there is NO REASON to not be treating the masses with it right now.

There are plenty of reasons, the biggest one being that it's not proven to be effective. People with mild symptoms shouldn't be getting these drugs at this point.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SupDock

There are plenty of reasons, the biggest one being that it's not proven to be effective. People with mild symptoms shouldn't be getting these drugs at this point.

Except for where it has been effective I agree it isn't effective.....

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Ahuh well your presumptions could be equally wrong. And it could be to provide people a option they should seek out should they get coronavirus.

So there is that....

You're smoking crack.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Ahuh well your presumptions could be equally wrong. And it could be to provide people a option they should seek out should they get coronavirus.

So there is that....

I'm not presuming anything.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

If you "can't see" how 21 million people Social Distancing and following Stay At Home orders have accounted for a 20x difference, then you truly do not understand math, as so many others have suggested.

Look I'm not Donger so I have no desire to repeat myself over and over again.

If you don't understand the difference between saying more people complying than they expected doesn't explain the massive level the models have been off is not the same thing as saying I don't think social distancing is effective then I have no idea what else to tell you.

But if the topic did interest you, you could back and read DJ's 500 word post saying the same thing with much much more detail.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You're smoking crack.

Feel free to not take a drug that is safe, and cheap. By all means, all the Doctors and Governments buying the drug must be doing it on a hunch.

Nah you got it, I mean the 2005 Study of the drug for SARS showed it to be very good for preventative measures to that virus.

But nah dismiss it,