***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by petegz28

HMMMM Dr. Siegel might disagree with you...

https://www.foxnews.com/health/dr-ma...oxychloroquine

Dr. Marc Siegel, a Fox News medical contributor, told “Tucker Carlson Tonight”

Can you provide something for its scientific proof other than an appearance on a right wing partisan TV opinion show? Like a published peer reviewed article in the New England Journal of Medicine? Or any other non-partisan scientific group?

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Except for where it has been effective I agree it isn't effective.....

Believe what you will, but that doesn't change reality.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Donger

COVID-19 isn't a virus. SARS-CoV-2 is a virus. SARS-CoV-2 causes COVID-19.

Folks - there's no room for easy shorthands or colloquialisms when discussing health issues on a football board.

Henceforth in this kingdom it is imperative that you not suggest anyone on CP die in an AIDS fire. It will now be known as an 'AIDS resulting from HIV' fire.

Remember when we went over the whole pedantic thing a bit ago?

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Dartgod

"Particularly encouraging" equals "gushed"? GTFO

For comparison to his current position, one could argue that is the most that man can gush

[Dartgod]

Originally Posted by stumppy

Yea, he's really gushing it up there. WOW, he said it was encouraging. BFD

Particularly encouraging.

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by Donger

Because it hasn't been show to be effective in a decent-sized, controlled trial yet. That's why.

I presume most here know why some people here are pushing this, and why. That's why it should stay in DC where it belongs for now.

Yup!

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by SupDock

Believe what you will, but that doesn't change reality.

Reality is people on the ground saying it is working, reality is governments acquiring the drug in massive amounts.

Evidence of it being effective does exist. You choose to wait for a "official" report. Thats fine but claiming there is zero evidence is a outright lie.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Folks - there's no room for easy shorthands or colloquialisms when discussing health issues on a football board.

Henceforth in this kingdom it is imperative that you not suggest anyone on CP die in an AIDS fire. It will now be known as an 'AIDS resulting from HIV' fire.

Remember when we went over the whole pedantic thing a bit ago?

I posted that in response to the doctor in the video that pete posted. I'd like to think that such an expert wouldn't make such a stupid error.

[eDave]

Originally Posted by petegz28

HMMMM Dr. Siegel might disagree with you...

https://www.foxnews.com/health/dr-ma...oxychloroquine

Dr. Marc Siegel, a Fox News medical contributor, told “Tucker Carlson Tonight” on Tuesday that his 96-year-old father was recently weak and struggling to breathe but recovered after he was administered an anti-malaria drug and antibiotics.

Siegel was discussing hopeful signs that hydroxychloroquine has shown in recent studies when combined with antibiotics for coronavirus treatment.

Siegel said his father, who lives in Florida, recently complained about weakness, shortness of breath and feared that he was going to die.

Siegel said that his father’s cardiologist prescribed hydroxychloroquine and antibiotics and the combination proved effective.

"He got up the next day and was fine,” Siegel said.

President Trump has been criticized by some in the media for advocating the unproven drug and has been accused of peddling false hope.

While scientists are suggesting hydroxychloroquine could be an effective treatment, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, cautioned against jumping to any conclusions without thorough research.

State Rep. Karen Whitsett of Detroit told "The Ingraham Angle" on Monday that if it wasn't for Trump pushing the drug through the Food and Drug Administration's approval process for off-label use and touting it repeatedly during his daily press briefings, she may not have made it through her fight with the disease.

"I really want to say that you have to give this an opportunity," she said. "For me, it saved my life. I only can go by what it is that I have gone through and what my story is, and I can't speak for anyone else. So that's not what I'm trying to do here. I'm only speaking for myself."

Siegel pointed out what he saw as some “interesting” developments with the drug, including a recent small study in France that could indicate that the combination could reduce the amount of “circulating virus.”

He said there is also preliminary evidence that the combination may reduce the inflammation that leads to pneumonia in some cases.

Haha. WTF is this shit?

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Dartgod

Particularly encouraging.

Considering he said that about cells in a lab dish as opposed to the people currently showing that is working on the ground. Yeah I'd say his attitude is a little different.

[WhawhaWhat]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Fauci, now so sour on hydroxychloroquine (+/- azithro) for covid19, despite its clinical promise, gushed in 4/2013 when a coronavirus [MERS] antiviral combo [ribavirin /interferon-alpha)] tested “only in cells in lab dishes” prevented viral replication! https://t.co/c9aN1b0nvZ pic.twitter.com/KBTLDUeIUW

— Andrew Bostom (@andrewbostom) April 4, 2020

Never heard of this guy so let's check his profile to see what qualifications he has - "author of The Legacy of Jihad, The Legacy of Islamic Antisemitism, Sharia Versus Freedom."

He's one of those people.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Can you provide something for its scientific proof other than an appearance on a right wing partisan TV opinion show? Like a published peer reviewed article in the New England Journal of Medicine? Or any other non-partisan scientific group?

I think you need to read the article a little more slowly then take it to DC.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Reality is people on the ground saying it is working, reality is governments acquiring the drug in massive amounts.

Evidence of it being effective does exist. You choose to wait for a "official" report. Thats fine but claiming there is zero evidence is a outright lie.

Pretty amazing people keep clinging to the "zero evidence" argument.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Considering he said that about cells in a lab dish as opposed to the people currently showing that is working on the ground. Yeah I'd say his attitude is a little different.

Again, because it hasn't been show to be effective in a decent-sized, controlled trial yet. That's why.

You're just proving that fact with this tripe.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by eDave

Haha. WTF is this shit?

People saying it worked for them or their loved ones????